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arista · 23-01-2021, 03:46 PM

British Gas
wants to be Fire and Re-Hire, new contracts.

The Union Man and British Gas Engineer
was talking Live on Times Radio DAB
Ayesha Hazarika show.

A Labour MP (Andy McDonald) said
changing contracts is wrong.

Live Now
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/live

https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/re...trica-19680108

[British Gas engineers launch fresh wave of strikes in
January and February in pay and conditions row as they
claim first walkouts lead to backlog of 100,000 appointments
Thousands of members of the GMB union walked out
on Wednesday and will strike again later this month
and in February
British Gas said 'strong contingency plans' in place
amid appointment backlog
The GMB accused British Gas of a 'fire and rehire' police
which would lead to a pay cut and longer
working week for its members]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tions-row.html

Ammi · 23-01-2021, 03:54 PM

...is this the story, Arista...?...

https://www.counterfire.org/news/220...sham-contracts

..it sounds outrageous to fire and rehire with new contracts with a deteriorated pay and working condition terms...

arista · 23-01-2021, 04:07 PM

Yes
Contracts to be Changed.

Nothing in 2021 is the Same.

Cherie · 23-01-2021, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
Contracts to be Changed.

Nothing in 2021 is the Same.

I can’t see how their business has been affected so much in the pandemic looks like they are using it though?

arista · 23-01-2021, 04:50 PM

[British Gas engineers have begun a five-day strike
from Thursday in a dispute over new contracts.
Thousands of staff have walked out in response
to an attempt by the firm to push through
pay cuts by threatening to fire workers, union GMB said.
It accused Centrica owner British Gas of provoking the strike.
Centrica said it had done everything it could to avoid a strike,
adding it would prioritise vulnerable households
and emergencies during the walkout.
Justin Bowden, GMB national secretary,
said: "GMB members from Land's End
to John O'Groats have stayed home,
stayed safe and supported the first
national gas strike in a decade.
"The months and months of fire and rehire pay cut threats
from British Gas CEO Chris O'Shea have
provoked thousands and thousands of GMB engineers
and call centre staff to strike,
the only option left to them by a business that
made £901m operating profit
yet still plans to sack them because they
won't accept the scale of cuts it demands," he added.
Some British Gas workers have taken to
social media to voice their support for the strike.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55562904

joeysteele · 23-01-2021, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi

...is this the story, Arista...?...

https://www.counterfire.org/news/220...sham-contracts

..it sounds outrageous to fire and rehire with new contracts with a deteriorated pay and working condition terms...

Outrageous is the word Ammi.
British Gas however are a disgrace.
In my view anyway.

arista · 23-01-2021, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can’t see how their business has been affected so much in the pandemic looks like they are using it though?

The CEO Chris O'Shea
wants to keep his profits
this new Fire and
maybe Re Hire (with new contact)

Is a Worldwide problem, Cherie.

Another Example VirginMedia now Owned by a Greedy American(Liberty Global CEO Mike Fries)
Phone them - its a dodgy sounding internet line India
All UK contracts in his Division have changed.

arista · 23-01-2021, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Outrageous is the word Ammi.
British Gas however are a disgrace.
In my view anyway.

No Joey
it is Normal, now
and Worldwide.

Toy Soldier · 23-01-2021, 05:13 PM

It's a loophole; if you were supposed to be able to make sweeping contract changes like this then it would just be possible to do so. Fire and re-hire to force a contract change should be illegal. They used it as a threat multiple times when I worked for a ****ty large company but never actually pulled the trigger because the threat was always enough to get most people to sign. They got 99% of employees to sign away their 1.5x overtime with that crap. I kept mine until the day I left

. They'd already used the same trick to get everyone to sign away their 1.5x Sundays but that was about 6 months before I started so I never had those in the first place. Sigh.

arista · 23-01-2021, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a loophole; if you were supposed to be able to make sweeping contract changes like this then it would just be possible to do so. Fire and re-hire to force a contract change should be illegal. They used it as a threat multiple times when I worked for a ****ty large company but never actually pulled the trigger because the threat was always enough to get most people to sign. They got 99% of employees to sign away their 1.5x overtime with that crap. I kept mine until the day I left

. They'd already used the same trick to get everyone to sign away their 1.5x Sundays but that was about 6 months before I started so I never had those in the first place. Sigh.

Yes but only Labour would do that.

Toy Soldier · 23-01-2021, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but only Labour would do that.

Well done you

for Signing.

I didn't sign Arista, I kept my overtime multiplier. They intimidated the vast majority into signing, tried again with those of us who didn't for a few more months, and then it was rarely mentioned again. It did come up once or twice; usually if there was a change of senior management... But they had moved on to other concerns and didn't really care much.

arista · 23-01-2021, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't sign Arista, I kept my overtime multiplier. They intimidated the vast majority into signing, tried again with those of us who didn't for a few more months, and then it was rarely mentioned again. It did come up once or twice; usually if there was a change of senior management... But they had moved on to other concerns and didn't really care much.

Yes Better
I guess if you were there now
they may have got you in a corner
re-sign or bugger off.

joeysteele · 23-01-2021, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

No Joey
it is Normal, now
and Worldwide.

Something I'd always be against and would want made illegal to do.

That's a pretty sick kind of normal in my view.

bitontheslide · 23-01-2021, 05:57 PM

British Airways tried to do it and other have done it. I think its totally wrong

arista · 24-01-2021, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Something I'd always be against and would want made illegal to do.

That's a pretty sick kind of normal in my view.

Employment Contracts have changed as time has
got worse in the World.

Before Labour could take power
Contracts will be updated

arista · 25-01-2021, 06:27 PM

Labour MP (Andy McDonald)
is now talking about this

Live In Parliament

Employment Rights Debate

Toy Soldier · 25-01-2021, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Better
I guess if you were there now
they may have got you in a corner
re-sign or bugger off.

Hence getting out for greener pastures long before it became an issue

. They try, they try, but they don't catch ALL of us Arista

.

arista · 15-04-2021, 12:57 AM

BBC Text:
["British Gas disgrace" is the headline on
the Daily Mirror's front page,
which reports that hundreds of engineers who
refused to accept new contracts on
lower pay have been sacked.
The paper calls it a "fire and rehire scandal"
and pictures one sacked worker
setting fire to his contract.]

arista · 18-04-2021, 03:54 PM

Fire and Hire again under less pay contract
is now going around supermarkets
and all other firms.

They Blame Covid

Cherie · 18-04-2021, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

Fire and Hire again under less pay contract
is now going around supermarkets
and all other firms.

They Blame Covid

How have supermarket profits been hit by covid, being the only shops opened for months plus panic buying early on, it’s a mystery

arista · 18-04-2021, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie

How have supermarket profits been hit by covid, being the only shops opened for months plus panic buying early on, it’s a mystery

Yes some Supermarkets have done well.
But some Big Supermarkets like Tesco
are now restructuring.
Most take a pay cut, or someone else takes their job.

bitontheslide · 18-04-2021, 04:10 PM

supermarkets are saying that it cost a fortune to make everything covid safe

arista · 18-04-2021, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

supermarkets are saying that it cost a fortune to make everything covid safe

Yes how clever of them.

Oliver_W · 18-04-2021, 04:42 PM

Maybe they should "fire and rehire" the fatcats and paper-pushers rather than the people who do actual work?

arista · 18-04-2021, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe they should "fire and rehire" the fatcats and paper-pushers rather than the people who do actual work?

No the High Up
are safe
as they take all the choices

Meanwhile in China
they have a rebound
as all workers took pay cuts
as so many are ready to take their place.

And of Course the Slaves
Evil China is using
(Former Strict Muslims)

Ref:TRTworldHD , WION HD

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