[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but Israel
is not going to change.


The Protection Iron Dome System
is Funded by USA Joe Biden.

If the west is complicit then we have blood on our hands too.

Listened to a debate recently where it was brought up the fact that British Muslims are expected to voice condemnation of attacks, we've seen that echoed on this forum too.
And we have seen that condemnation in marches across many major British cities.

Now I'm not saying that the Jewish community should do this, however a comparison can now be drawn. Is that something that may happen?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Slim they have lost alot of Land
Since 1946.


That changes nothing in this Fight.

There are lots and lots of land disputes in the world - China shares borders with 14 countries and has a territorial dispute with all of them


And lest we forget when we are worrying about the people of Palestine why Israel was created in 1948.....

[The Slim Reaper]

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...state/#slide-1

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...state/#slide-1

So all facts have to come from American media outlets now?

Define 'Ethnic cleansing'. And tell me that's not what is happening here.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...state/#slide-1

The UN calls Israel an apartheid state as do Jewish Israeli human rights groups, so forgive me if I don't equate the truth with the belief of medieval superstitious white Christians, that the Jews wanted to consume their children.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

Be Realistic


HAMAS are the Problem

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Be Realistic


HAMAS are the Problem

You are making it up; for starters, under international law an occupied country is allowed to mount an armed response.

Israel have been killing them and destroying their homes to take their land for decades. We still pretend we won ww2 on our own, but other countries need to get over what is being done to them in the present day?

[Parmy]

All buildings attacked by Israel in retaliation to the random rocket attacks on its citizens were given notice to evacuate by the Israelis.....even the ones containing hamas operatives.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

All buildings attacked by Israel in retaliation to the random rocket attacks on its citizens were given notice to evacuate by the Israelis.....even the ones containing hamas operatives.

Indeed

Tells you a lot

an awful lot

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

All buildings attacked by Israel in retaliation to the random rocket attacks on its citizens were given notice to evacuate by the Israelis.....even the ones containing hamas operatives.

That's not true, the reasoning behind one attack was allegedly to kill the Hamas members housed there, so obviously there would be no warning of that.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true, the reasoning behind one attack was allegedly to kill the Hamas members housed there, so obviously there would be no warning of that.

Hamas leaders housed there.

But apart from that legitimate target, all others were given warning to evacuate..there are loads of videos out there showing this exact thing happening...many others were called off due to members of the public being in the vicinity...

[Tom4784]

If the UN and Human Rights groups like Amnesty are calling it apartheid and are describing Israel's actions as abusing human rights, then I'll believe them over some conservative 'source' aimed at right wing sheep that only want to be told what they want to hear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here they are again with some advice


Finally, this past weekend, Hamas television aired a speech by a senior Hamas
official in which he called on Palestinians in Jerusalem to behead Jews in the
city streets. "Buy a knife, sharpen it, put it there, and just cut off [their
heads]," he said, gesturing to his neck. "It costs just five shekels. With those
five shekels, you will humiliate the Jewish state."


https://www.newsweek.com/why-are-the...pinion-1591492

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Here they are again with some advice


Finally, this past weekend, Hamas television aired a speech by a senior Hamas
official in which he called on Palestinians in Jerusalem to behead Jews in the
city streets. "Buy a knife, sharpen it, put it there, and just cut off [their
heads]," he said, gesturing to his neck. "It costs just five shekels. With those
five shekels, you will humiliate the Jewish state."


https://www.newsweek.com/why-are-the...pinion-1591492

One dude saying it was meaningless, but if they're going on TV with it, then that's good enough for me, so cheers. Still not an aim to rid the planet, only their occupiers as far as I can see.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you read their Covenant its the epitomy of Jew hating conspiracy theory

these people are beyond reason

".”Our enemies took control of the world media. They were behind the French
Revolution and the Communist Revolution. … They were behind World War I,
when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains
and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the
League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind
World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in
armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state.”


i mean wtaf

and I bet lots at that mob rally in LOndon support all of the above

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Have you read their Covenant its the epitomy of Jew hating conspiracy theory

these people are beyond reason

".”Our enemies took control of the world media. They were behind the French
Revolution and the Communist Revolution. … They were behind World War I,
when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains
and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the
League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind
World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in
armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state.”


i mean wtaf

and I bet lots at that mob rally in LOndon support all of the above

Yeah that stupid police officer chanting along with them for one.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Have you read their Covenant its the epitomy of Jew hating conspiracy theory

these people are beyond reason

".”Our enemies took control of the world media. They were behind the French
Revolution and the Communist Revolution. … They were behind World War I,
when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains
and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the
League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind
World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in
armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state.”


i mean wtaf

and I bet lots at that mob rally in LOndon support all of the above

Uses many of the same antisemitic tropes that Boris used in his novel. Still can't find where the expressed aim of Hamas is to remove all Jews from the planet.

I'm sure the Scots and Irish used to sing songs about how much they loved being ruled by England.

[Tom4784]

Regardless, a terrorist threat is not an excuse to commit endless war crimes and breaches of human rights.

If this was the 80's would you all have supported similar actions committed by us towards the irish people because of the IRA? We did enough bad **** as it was, and there's no denying the bigotry that took place but if we responded to the IRA like Israel responds to Hamas then we'd be violently occupying them further, forcing people out of their homes and airstriking civilians, and having our soldiers treat the citizenry like animals to be put down at the soldiers' pleasure. Terrorism does not justify such behaviour as a response.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And of course BLM are right behind them

[Tom4784]

Nothing triggers racists quite like BLM.

[arista]

Hamas is asking for a Ceasefire,
good move.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Hamas is asking for a Ceasefire,
good move.

Id imagine only because they are losing badly

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id imagine only because they are losing badly

Yes
they are losing.