[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

A band 5 newly qualified nurse doesn't earn £34k

Exactly Annie.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Define good in context... it may be 'good' but is it fair?

Is it comparably to other positions in the same bracket?
Take into consideration working conditions as well as the physical and mental impact of the job.

Imo due to the stress nurses face no it isn't a good wage.

I'm overjoyed to see you posting Kizzy.
I echo Ammi, welcome home.

Of course the conditions need to be taken into consideration.
Plus this last year particularly where being put in danger from government incompetence on PPE too.

A 1% increase is in fact a cut in real terms.
How anyone would want to excuse that or worse support it, should be worrying.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

A band 5 newly qualified nurse doesn't earn £34k

A band 5 nurse with 20 years experience doesn’t earn £34k. Nursing has some very decent salary prospects but you have to move through the bands quickly to reach them... my wife is about 2 years in and is band 6 eyeing a 7 but (not to wife-flex lol) that is extremely uncommon... most NQN’s are going to be band 5 for 5+ years and frankly the band 5 salary doesn’t reflect the hours of study & training that go in at all. Nurses in countries like the US, Australia, NZ, Scandinavian countries etc. earn so much more when newly qualified.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A band 5 nurse with 20 years experience doesn’t earn £34k. Nursing has some very decent salary prospects but you have to move through the bands quickly to reach them... my wife is about 2 years in and is band 6 eyeing a 7 but (not to wife-flex lol) that is extremely uncommon... most NQN’s are going to be band 5 for 5+ years and frankly the band 5 salary doesn’t reflect the hours of study & training that go in at all. Nurses in countries like the US, Australia, NZ, Scandinavian countries etc. earn so much more when newly qualified.

Thanks TS, I supply staff to the NHS but secretarial support staff and went through the Agenda for Change pay restructure years ago and I knew that the start of Band 5 was nowhere near the salary LT is quoting but was unsure how quickly nursing staff go through the spine points on the bands. So thanks for clarifying.

However, even IF nurses did regularly earn £34k, they would still deserve a decent year on year rise, not just because of the pandemic. Every employee (in any job role or industry) effectively takes a pay cut year on year if they don't at least get a cost of living rise.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Thanks TS, I supply staff to the NHS but secretarial support staff and went through the Agenda for Change pay restructure years ago and I knew that the start of Band 5 was nowhere near the salary LT is quoting but was unsure how quickly nursing staff go through the spine points on the bands. So thanks for clarifying.

However, even IF nurses did regularly earn £34k, they would still deserve a decent year on year rise, not just because of the pandemic. Every employee (in any job role or industry) effectively takes a pay cut year on year if they don't at least get a cost of living rise.

I agree, and if you look at the NHS salary increase between 1990 and 2000, then 2000 to 2010... then compare it to the increase from 2010 to 2020... it's really quite shocking. It's barely gone up at all when I think it more than doubled between 1990 and 2010.

Put that alongside the soaring cost of living thanks to insane property & rent increases . A little 2 bed flat came up near me yesterday - £700 a month. Which might not be a lot compared to "city prices" but identical flats were renting for £400/month 5 years ago.

[LeatherTrumpet]

What is the average salary for a Nurse?

The Royal College of Nursing have estimated that the average annual salary of an NHS Nurse is £33,384.

More broadly, we estimate that the average salary for a Nurse is somewhere between £33,000 and £35,000.That takes into account the average amount of experience of a UK Nurse, and data collected on major job boards.

https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blo...he-uk-in-2021/

[Ammi]

…’protect the NHS’ is one of the three word slogans that isn’t going to work really …if the NHS nursing staff flee to the better paid private sector for doing the same role….it’s just going to contradict the protection of NHS…surely this has been a strong message to the government that the NHS is for life, not just for COVID…..

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…’protect the NHS’ is one of the three word slogans that isn’t going to work really …if the NHS nursing staff flee to the better paid private sector for doing the same role….it’s just going to contradict the protection of NHS…surely this has been a strong message to the government that the NHS is for life, not just for COVID…..

one person has gone back to her home country

[bitontheslide]

if people want better paid nhs, then either we need to cut down on the number of staff or increase what we the tax payer contribute toward it. Given the state the economy is in at the moment, i don't see tax rises happening right now for that (although im sure they will be along soon)

[Ammi]

Third of nurses plan to quit NHS in ‘emerging crisis’…


A third of nurses are considering leaving the NHS in the next year, according to research highlighted by the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC).

The committee’s report quotes a survey from the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) suggesting that 36% of respondents were considering leaving in the next year, with two-thirds attributing this to low pay and almost half claiming it was due to their treatment during the pandemic.

The exodus has sparked fears of an “emerging crisis” in nursing, the PAC said….


https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/th...erging-crisis/


…but maybe just another medical crisis to ignore the potential enormity and impact of…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thanks love hope you and yours are well, thought I'd come to show Im still alive lol

Yes we're all fine thanks. And as Ammi said we were a bit worried about you so glad you popped back to us How are things?

[Tom4784]

Honestly, this thread really demonstrates how people will allow the NHS to perish. A nurse does something that reflects poorly on the tories and then 'Well, I had a nurse who was terrible to me once, they work back to back long ass shifts and are probably more stressed out than ever before in their lives but they didn't put on a song and dance when I wanted them to so they're ****!'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes we're all fine thanks. And as Ammi said we were a bit worried about you so glad you popped back to us How are things?

I'm better now it's been a bit manic, luckily for me I'm in one of the sectors that kept working .... :|
So with covering those shielding and isolating this year has passed in a bit of a blur of work, bed, work, bed.

Took some time off now Great to see everyone still here and the topics are as controversial as ever haha!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What is the average salary for a Nurse?

The Royal College of Nursing have estimated that the average annual salary of an NHS Nurse is £33,384.

More broadly, we estimate that the average salary for a Nurse is somewhere between £33,000 and £35,000.That takes into account the average amount of experience of a UK Nurse, and data collected on major job boards.

https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blo...he-uk-in-2021/

Starting salary is £25k whit - to put it in perspective - is something like £12.50 an hour. When minimum wage is nearly £10 an hour now... that does not really reflect a professional qualification.

You CAN "leapfrog" the progression by jumping up the bands rather than waiting for incremental wage progression, but obviously not everyone is going to get an early promotion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm better now it's been a bit manic, luckily for me I'm in one of the sectors that kept working .... :|
So with covering those shielding and isolating this year has passed in a bit of a blur of work, bed, work, bed.

Took some time off now Great to see everyone still here and the topics are as controversial as ever haha!

Sounds like you deserve that time off! I worked through for most of the it is well (besides working from home for a couple of months at the very start) but we were quieter than usual because of so many of our customers being closed

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Honestly, this thread really demonstrates how people will allow the NHS to perish. A nurse does something that reflects poorly on the tories and then 'Well, I had a nurse who was terrible to me once, they work back to back long ass shifts and are probably more stressed out than ever before in their lives but they didn't put on a song and dance when I wanted them to so they're ****!'

This pretty much.