[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

I get it, you're prepared to follow someone blindly and somehow dismiss the Jews who left the Labour party because of anti-Semitism under his watch. Dismiss the Jews - and others - who protested in Parliament Square about anti-Semitism. Dismiss his attendance at the funerals of terrorists, and his tributes to terrorists... and, of course, dismiss the fact that he was leader of the party and allowed the problem to continue. The Equality & Human Rights Commission found after an investigation, that the Labour party could have tackled anti-Semitism more effectively “if the leadership had chosen to do so”.

The plain truth, very well said Livia.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You will never convince me that Corbyn was this 'monster' that people like to portray him as, they got their wish and he lost vast support, however I still think he was a decent guy or atleast tried his best.

Whereas Boris openly was Islamphobic and took no responsibility for it . And when it comes to immigration him & his cronies like to paint foreign people as scapegoats.

The reason I mentioned anti vaxors was because they seem to be using unmonitored sites to spread their garbage, which is full of hate & racism ,it all seems to be merged together like a fever dream. And nothing seems to be done about.

The massive independent inquiry found that the leadership had failed to address the problem effectively.
It made no direct accusation of Corbyn himself.

I'm not defending his stance but I do not and never have believed, he is anti Semitic.
He is pro Palestinian more than Israel but that doesn't make him an anti Semite.
As much as those who hate him would wish it to be so.

The hate campaign by Riley, was really hate filled.

To be pro Palestinian is NOT to be anti Semitic..
If it is, and this is the new form of it, then multi millions across the world are now branded then as being anti-Semitic.

I lean more on the side of Israel, always have.
Corbyn no doubt has his sympathies with the Palestinians.
That neither makes me anti Palestinian nor makes Corbyn anti Semitic..
Just to satisfy the hate of others.
No matter what they say.

While important yes, the leadership of Parties is more than ONE individual.
Even in the Con party.

[GoldHeart]

Boris might aswell get thrown a treat , his hair ruffled like a mischievous dog. And any incompetent wrongdoing he does, he might aswell just get tapped on his nose with a rolled up newspaper , because Boris is 'funny' after all .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Boris might aswell get thrown a treat , his hair ruffled like a mischievous dog. And any incompetent wrongdoing he does, he might aswell just get tapped on his nose with a rolled up newspaper , because Boris is 'funny' after all .

I'd trust Corbyn a million times more than I'd ever trust Johnson.
He's even been found to have abused power and acted unlawfully while PM, by the 2 highest courts in England and Scotland.

Yet he's a Saint from Con hardliners.

This issue around Riley is her own personal hate campaign.
I hope the end conclusion of it once all is revealed again.
Has her get the book thrown at her.

False accusations of being anti Semitic, and I've had them said to me on here, and got in bother for just defending myself too.
Diminish from those REAL anti Semites and the problem of solving it.
Once false accusations are thrown around, then true reason is lost.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The massive independent inquiry found that the leadership had failed to address the problem effectively.
It made no direct accusation of Corbyn himself.

I'm not defending his stance but I do not and never have believed, he is anti Semitic.
He is pro Palestinian more than Israel but that doesn't make him an anti Semite.
As much as those who hate him would wish it to be so.

The hate campaign by Riley, was really hate filled.

To be pro Palestinian is NOT to be anti Semitic..
If it is, and thus is the new firm of it, then multi millions across the world are now branded then as being anti-Semitic.

I lean more on the side of Israel, always have.
Corbyn no doubt has his sympathies with the Palestinians.
That neither makes me anti Palestinian nor makes Corbyn anti Semitic..
Just to satisfy the hate of others.
No matter what they say.

While important yes, the leadership of Parties is more than ONE individual.
Even in the Con party.

I'm not sure what Corbyn could have done differently, the hate campaign was too damaging either way and he couldn't win either way. Lies were said about him, like the saying goes "when they don't like you they just don't like you " , it's all extremely fickle when I think back to when Corbyn first became Labour leader, I remember seeing nice things actually written about him,then all of a sudden it all changed.

Tory bias in the media , which was unfair. Even in interviews they attacked him for such petty stupid things like him not watching or knowing when The Queen speech is on , like seriously who cares
if he watches it or not .

Boris lies through his teeth daily, he's a bumbling mess and he has zero compassion for anyone and anything yet he's still supported .

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't want to see real anti-Semitic behaviour, thanks. I've seen quite enough. Corbyn supported and protected anti-Semites while he was leader. Who else should have sorted it out?

I have no idea what anti-vaxxers and the far Right have to do with this discussion.

Labours own internal report showed the rw of labour working against Corbyn to deal with this. The report was from Starmers time, not Corbyns, either.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

I get it, you're prepared to follow someone blindly and somehow dismiss the Jews who left the Labour party because of anti-Semitism under his watch. Dismiss the Jews - and others - who protested in Parliament Square about anti-Semitism. Dismiss his attendance at the funerals of terrorists, and his tributes to terrorists... and, of course, dismiss the fact that he was leader of the party and allowed the problem to continue. The Equality & Human Rights Commission found after an investigation, that the Labour party could have tackled anti-Semitism more effectively “if the leadership had chosen to do so”.

I voted for the Tories. I have no illusions about what kind of person Boris is.

What about all the Jews that remember him lining Jewish neighborhoods in the 70's, standing against neo-Nazi's to defend Jews? What about Jewish members of labour that support him against the weaponisation of antisemitism to smear him? Dismissing those Jews is OK?

I see Tommy Robinson out marching to defend Israel today, so why do you think the far right has jumped on the Israel bandwagon? if fascism rose again in the world, do you think the far right would keep supporting Jewish people? I can tell you now, they wouldn't. When antisemitism has been weaponised out of existence, only a fool would pretend that the far right won't jump in to take advantage.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What about all the Jews that remember him lining Jewish neighborhoods in the 70's, standing against neo-Nazi's to defend Jews? What about Jewish members of labour that support him against the weaponisation of antisemitism to smear him? Dismissing those Jews is OK?

I see Tommy Robinson out marching to defend Israel today, so why do you think the far right has jumped on the Israel bandwagon? if fascism rose again in the world, do you think the far right would keep supporting Jewish people? I can tell you now, they wouldn't. When antisemitism has been weaponised out of existence, only a fool would pretend that the far right won't jump in to take advantage.

I won't be discussing anything about Israel or Jews with you in the future.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

I won't be discussing anything about Israel or Jews with you in the future.

All these false narratives fall away when you start discussing things, so I don't blame you, but thank you for the public announcement.

[Ammi]

…I have to say that it’s a shame because Israel/Palestine is such a complexity of layers and to have two different groups views is a very sound learning and balancing point as well…to have just one perspective/view is never ideal, well far from ideal…I personally was hoping to learn so much of the topic from two people with different perspectives but similar sound knowledge etc…

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What about all the Jews that remember him lining Jewish neighborhoods in the 70's, standing against neo-Nazi's to defend Jews? What about Jewish members of labour that support him against the weaponisation of antisemitism to smear him? Dismissing those Jews is OK?

I see Tommy Robinson out marching to defend Israel today, so why do you think the far right has jumped on the Israel bandwagon? if fascism rose again in the world, do you think the far right would keep supporting Jewish people? I can tell you now, they wouldn't. When antisemitism has been weaponised out of existence, only a fool would pretend that the far right won't jump in to take advantage.

Those Jews very clearly don’t matter in this scenario to some people

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Those Jews very clearly don’t matter in this scenario to some people

...and all the Jews that have been kicked out of labour under Starmers leadership, for, and I'm not making this up, antisemitism.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

...and all the Jews that have been kicked out of labour under Starmers leadership, for, and I'm not making this up, antisemitism.

All the gentiles on here telling the one Jew what anti-Semitism is...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

All the gentiles on here telling the one Jew what anti-Semitism is...

No one is telling you what antisemitism is, and the extrapolation you've made is purely to avoid any discussion. You made a post about Jews being dismissed, so my post was purely to counter the fact that not all Jews, just like all people, think the same as each other. Now if I'd said that all Jews think the same way, you'd have rightly reported me for antisemitism, so when you try and box people in to a heads I win, tails you lose situation, then you need to explain.

All of these threads are littered with the exact same inaccurate and snarky one line posts from you.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Those Jews very clearly don’t matter in this scenario to some people

Doesn't fit the agenda and narrative of Corbyn being an 'evil monster' that's why.