[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Zizu

So Matt Hancock hasn’t resigned as I expected but he has come out fighting !!

Apparently he hasn’t seen the Cummings evidence footage as he’s been getting the vaccines out all day ... saving lives !!

Says he will be giving a statement tomorrow...

Guess he’s in for a sleepless night


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Yes just loved how he said I've not seen his 'performance'

You Mr Hancock should resign !

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…at least the Independent and the Times have reasonable headlines…yes I understand this would generally be the thing to bring in that mockery and those puns with the headlines, it’s all too ironic with all of them…no sir, it was him…but this is beyond punnery and mockery with the life loss the country has sustained under the decision making of those self serving awful people…

Do we know how much of his version of events was correct / honest / reliable?


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[Zizu]

Sooooo ... are all countries having their own enquiry / witch-hunts or is it just us ??


It’s not as though we are the only country to have high numbers of infections and deaths .


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[arista]

Around 10:30AM
The Health Secretary is live in Parliament
for Labour's Urgent Question.

[bitontheslide]

hancock did lie, everyone knows he did. The problem is that he doesn't care. He won't resign, there will be an enquiry later which he can always refer to and Boris wont sack him cause he needs someone to blame

[Kazanne]

Just revenge attacks imo, and tittle tattle again from the media and a scorned wannabee. Nothing new here , he's changed his story, he just thinks he could have been better than anyone else.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just revenge attacks imo, and tittle tattle again from the media and a scorned wannabee. Nothing new here , he's changed his story, he just thinks he could have been better than anyone else.

Why am I not surprised at your statement there.
Anything to protect Johnson and the Cons.
I didn't see you condemning Cummings with him breaking lockdown rules.

My family,MY FAMILY have evidence to present to any public inquiry when YOUR Johnson DARE to open it up.
That along with thousands of other Families show their loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily by official and government incompetence.

Thankfully most got their evidence quickly before any doctoring of documentation was able to be done.

It may well be revenge, if he's now admitting as he did yesterday he got things wrong, badly wrong, and that others did .
I welcomed that!!!
Plus at last someone in the know of government at the time now admitting thousands of loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily.
Maybe you don't the give a damn about that,those who've lost loved ones that way do most certainly.

Hard-line Cons supporting this extreme PM are unbelievable
Always denying what seems while not knowing or bothered as to what is.
Just to deflect criticism of the most politically dishonest and most deceitful PM ever likely in this Country.

I don't now care if your lot jump in on me for this post, or even if I get another infraction for defending my own.
I'll fight for my loved ones and even moreso the loved ones who've been robbed of their lives too soon.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…at least the Independent and the Times have reasonable headlines…yes I understand this would generally be the thing to bring in that mockery and those puns with the headlines, it’s all too ironic with all of them…no sir, it was him…but this is beyond punnery and mockery with the life loss the country has sustained under the decision making of those self serving awful people…

Dead right Ammi.
Thank you for your reasoned understanding.

[LeatherTrumpet]

So Dominic Cumings says 10s of thousands more died and people believe him?

without a scrap of evidence?

just his say so?

what is his scientific qualification?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why am I not surprised at your statement there.
Anything to protect Johnson and the Cons.
I didn't see you condemning Cummings with him breaking lockdown rules.

My family,MY FAMILY have evidence to present to any public inquiry when YOUR Johnson DARE to open it up.
That along with thousands of other Families show their loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily by official and government incompetence.

Thankfully most got their evidence quickly before any doctoring of documentation was able to be done.

It may well be revenge, if he's now admitting as he did yesterday he got things wrong, badly wrong, and that others did .
I welcomed that!!!
Plus at last someone in the know of government at the time now admitting thousands of loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily.
Maybe you don't the give a damn about that,those who've lost loved ones that way do most certainly.

Hard-line Cons supporting this extreme PM are unbelievable
Always denying what seems while not knowing or bothered as to what is.
Just to deflect criticism of the most politically dishonest and most deceitful PM ever likely in this Country.

I don't now care if your lot jump in on me for this post, or even if I get another infraction for defending my own.
I'll fight for my loved ones and even moreso the loved ones who've been robbed of their lives too soon.

I am allowed an opinion and imo he is just pissed he was sacked, are we to believe the press now and him,I thought we all agreed with the M&H debarcle that the press were scum !!! Did i defend him ? but even if i did we thought he was telling the truth he has now said he lied so why would I believe him now , and why didn't he come forward with all this before he got the sack,he s not a credible source imo.This isn't about the PM, I think we know your feelings on the PM,that is your right,this is about the credibility of Cummings, you can try as much as you want Joey to turn my thoughts about the Conservatives but IMO they are the best of a bad bunch, labour themselves condemned Cummings ,and now they suddenly believe him,strange that.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So Dominic Cumings says 10s of thousands more died and people believe him?

without a scrap of evidence?

just his say so?

what is his scientific qualification?

exactly. I feel for Joey, people have died and we all want to blame some one. I lost a dear friend too, but Cummings is playing on that frustration, which is equally bad if not worse.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am allowed an opinion and imo he is just pissed he was sacked, are we to believe the press now and him,I thought we all agreed with the M&H debarcle that the press were scum !!! Did i defend him ? but even if i did we thought he was telling the truth he has now said he lied so why would I believe him now , and why didn't he come forward with all this before he got the sack,he s not a credible source imo.This isn't about the PM, I think we know your feelings on the PM,that is your right,this is about the credibility of Cummings, you can try as much as you want Joey to turn my thoughts about the Conservatives but IMO they are the best of a bad bunch, labour themselves condemned Cummings ,and now they suddenly believe him,strange that.

Of course he won't be a credible source to you.. he's attacking your PM.
Who should be above criticism.
I'm not going to waste my time.
I'll avoid all your posts in future.

As to bots too..
I don't know if who you lost was lost because of contracting covid from infected patients sent back to care homes and infecting others there including staff.

All losses of life are crushing and I was saddened to learn of your loss.

When a loss of life shouldn't have happened at all even worse.
Which we as a family and thousands of other families know for certain did now.

Cummings only confirmed yesterday what those thousands of families have known from their own evidence for near a year now.
I've actually been saying it since I came back on here in June last year.

You and Kazanne can choose to diminish and dismiss my points all you wish..
I have a still heartbroken Mother at home who'll never be the same after losing her Sister.

Who also knows that Sister would be here now without being put in danger by this PM and his government's policy.

Now you and Kazanne can do all you can to deflect from the PMs attitude to this all you like.

Don't though insult us with people want to blame someone.
I wish I didn't have to blame anyone, however from the evidence I have and as a family we have.
We know we have to.

You defend Johnson all you like.

We know for certain, and the public inquiry will as well when we eventually get to put our case to it, when the PM you voted for, dares get it opened that is.

I'd be as furious if Corbyn or any other political leader had acted so incompetently and dangerously on this.
It's not about blaming anyone at all..
That is grossly insulting from you frankly.

To lose anyone unnecessarily should never be acceptable.
I doubt it would be even to you, if this had been a Labour or Lib Dem. government in power.
Rather than your Con one..
I couldn't care what government it is.
This one has robbed my family of 2 members by incompetently putting them in danger in care homes with no protection.

Diminish that and dismiss it all you wish to deflect criticism from this PM.
I never will.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of course he won't be a credible source to you.. he's attacking your PM.
Who should be above criticism.
I'm not going to waste my time.
I'll avoid all your posts in future.

As to bots too..
I don't know if who you lost was lost because of contracting covid from infected patients sent back to care homes and infecting others there including staff.

All losses of life are crushing and I was saddened to learn of your loss.

When a loss of life shouldn't have happened at all even worse.
Which we as a family and thousands of other families know for certain did now.

Cummings only confirmed yesterday what those thousands of families have known from their own evidence for near a year now.
I've actually been saying it since I came back on here in June last year.

You and Kazanne can choose to diminish and dismiss my points all you wish..
I have a still heartbroken Mother at home who'll never be the same after losing her Sister.

Who also knows that Sister would be here now without being put in danger by this PM and his government's policy.

Now you and Kazanne can do all you can to deflect from the PMs attitude to this all you like.

Don't though insult us with people want to blame someone.
I wish I didn't have to blame anyone, however from the evidence I have and as a family we have.
We know we have to.

You defend Johnson all you like.

We know for certain, and the public inquiry will as well when we eventually get to put our case to it, when the PM you voted for, dares get it opened that is.

I'd be as furious if Corbyn or any other political leader had acted so incompetently and dangerously on this.
It's not about blaming anyone at all..
That is grossly insulting from you frankly.

To lose anyone unnecessarily should never be acceptable.
I doubt it would be even to you, if this had been a Labour or Lib Dem. government in power.
Rather than your Con one..
I couldn't care what government it is.
This one has robbed my family of 2 members by incompetently putting them in danger in care homes with no protection.

Diminish that and dismiss it all you wish to deflect criticism from this PM.
I never will.

No one is dismissing your experience,Bots even said he felt for you,but really I have also lost , I think most people will know someone who has passed due to covid, no one is defending anything,i just dont think Cummings is a credible source, but isnt it really silly to not speak to someone because they have a different opinion Joey,we have known each other a long time,we have agreed and disagreed that is how it should be I dont understand the hostility tbh,but its your right to ignore me.

[arista]

Stupid Woman (Beverley Turner) on ITV1HD this morning
said if he had said he had to leave London
his keep his family safe, it would have been fine.

She missed the bit when yesterday
Cummings said he was not Permitted to say
about his Security problem in the Rose Garden Conference

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just revenge attacks imo, and tittle tattle again from the media and a scorned wannabee. Nothing new here , he's changed his story, he just thinks he could have been better than anyone else.

He’s clearly very bitter, funny as wel as everyone was blasting him and demanding he be fired when he broke lockdown rules at the very height of the pandemic and lockdown, now they’re praising him just because he doesn’t like the PM suddenly

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

He’s clearly very bitter, funny as wel as everyone was blasting him and demanding he be fired when he broke lockdown rules at the very height of the pandemic and lockdown, now they’re praising him just because he doesn’t like the PM suddenly

Wrong,everyone isn't praising him.

I'm not., He did highlight yesterday what I and thousands of other families have known for near a year now.
That's all.
He confirmed what we were told and found out via official sources and medical records got quickly.

Other than that I have no respect for Cummings.

What is interesting though, are those who deflected from and defended him who are Con supporters at the time he broke lockdown rules.
Against those of us who didn't and found his story ridiculous.
Those Cons now against him because he dares criticise the PM.

At least he didn't just criticise the PM and useless Hancock.
However he did criticise himself too, taking blame in part on himself rightly too.

No wrong however, not everyone.
I consider Cummings and Johnson as actually creeps.
Not just one both of them.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…a senior advisor for ineptness revealing how inept it’s all been and how life loss could have all been reduced…which is something that has already been figured out, that our life loss is what it is…it would be laughable if it wasn’t all so horrendous while serving themselves and their careers….

…it’s like the opposite of Spartacus…he’s Spartacus…no it was him ….when they’ve all played their part..

…just to say that things being said by Cummings are things that have been said all along by many and nothing is being said now ‘because he said’…the irony of it is in him saying it …is that he was part of it and ‘senior advisor’ to it all…as I said, it would be laughable if it wasn’t so horrendous…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…just to say that things being said by Cummings are things that have been said all along by many and nothing is being said now ‘because he said’…the irony of it is in him saying it …is that he was part of it and ‘senior advisor’ to it all…as I said, it would be laughable if it wasn’t so horrendous…

Spot on again.
Thank you.
I've never said anything different for near a year on here now Ammi.

[smudgie]

Didn’t believe him then and have no reason to believe him now.
Prior to him leaving, any mistakes that had been made he was part of.
Nasty bitter man.

[arista]

The Prime Minister Both News Channels
has spoken with a Mask on
while at a Hospital Visit.

He will not Comment on Cummings

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am allowed an opinion and imo he is just pissed he was sacked, are we to believe the press now and him,I thought we all agreed with the M&H debarcle that the press were scum !!! Did i defend him ? but even if i did we thought he was telling the truth he has now said he lied so why would I believe him now , and why didn't he come forward with all this before he got the sack,he s not a credible source imo.This isn't about the PM, I think we know your feelings on the PM,that is your right,this is about the credibility of Cummings, you can try as much as you want Joey to turn my thoughts about the Conservatives but IMO they are the best of a bad bunch, labour themselves condemned Cummings ,and now they suddenly believe him,strange that.

It’s all rather bizarre isn’t it

Labour plus press / media now quoting everything Cummings said ...as GOSPEL !!

I’d expect nothing less from Kier Starmer
but shouldn’t the press be careful what they’re writing / printing ??

Nothing has been proved one way or another as yet


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[LeatherTrumpet]

This BBC report details all the nasty things China Government did to hide the danger of Covid from the west - this robbed the UK and the rest of the world of a chance to prepare. By the time we knew of the real dangers the virus was all over our country

China Covid-19: How state media and censorship took on coronavirus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55355401

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This BBC report details all the nasty things China Government did to hide the danger of Covid from the west - this robbed the UK and the rest of the world of a chance to prepare. By the time we knew of the real dangers the virus was all over our country

China Covid-19: How state media and censorship took on coronavirus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55355401

Yes China
Far worse than the UK

[arista]

[LeatherTrumpet]

'Fake news' no longer: Facebook lifts ban on suggesting COVID-19 was man-made after
Biden orders intel agencies to probe whether coronavirus leaked from Wuhan lab

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments