[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i abhor racism in football, but i dont like the connection that the gesture has to BLM, so i would prefer not to see it. Sport should never be political and BLM is political. Racism is not political however, they need to come up with some other method of supporting kick it out rather than BLM

I totally agree.
Im sure the FA were against wearing poppies and the Manchester City manager was reprimanded for wearing a political badge.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Tbh they should be taking a knee on twitter and the like, not on a football pitch.

Yes that would be far better

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Kneeling on the ground achieves nothing, it is nothing more than performative allyship. The only thing that happens is the association with a questionable group pisses people off.

The only people who weren't behind Rashford during the school meals thing were the kind of idiots who say stuff like "can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em".

If the players want to peacefully make a point then who the hell are we to tel them that “kneeling doesn’t achieve anything”. These same fans were having meltdowns over a damn super league and yet simply kneeling before a game starts isn’t a worthy protest or message.

If it pisses off people then it just shows how much more work there is to do.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

If the players want to peacefully make a point then who the hell are we to tel them that “kneeling doesn’t achieve anything”. These same fans were having meltdowns over a damn super league and yet simply kneeling before a game starts isn’t a worthy protest or message.

If it pisses off people then it just shows how much more work there is to do.

a lot of people don't agree with the politics of BLM and kneeling is directly linked to BLM. Why should they accept football being political. We already had kick it out which was specific to the cause and non political

[parmnion]

One of them will strain a muscle one day, I hope it's just before the whistle on june 18th

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a lot of people don't agree with the politics of BLM and kneeling is directly linked to BLM. Why should they accept football being political. We already had kick it out which was specific to the cause and non political

quite

there is little "racism " in UK football

there is in American based social media

and in America

blm is a despicable "organisation" that has Nothing to do with the UK

get up off your knees and wake up

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by arista

Here's look at the state of deluded Lozza in that pic , he probably thinks he looks nice .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Here's look at the state of deluded Lozza in that pic , he probably thinks he looks nice .

why he never took the pic and hasnt seen it?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Here's look at the state of deluded Lozza in that pic , he probably thinks he looks nice .

He doesn't look as daft as that english numpty dying his hair to look like gazza.

But my question is.

Why isnt the discussion of black players not taking the knee not being discussed?

Surely that is far more interesting than some half pissed white men booing uf they ain't got a mouthful of overpriced sausage meat half way down their gullets.

Why do they not take a knee?

If its cause they refuse to knee down whilst sweaty white men boo them I see their point..

I just dont know if that's their point....someone educate me please.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a lot of people don't agree with the politics of BLM and kneeling is directly linked to BLM. Why should they accept football being political. We already had kick it out which was specific to the cause and non political

Spare me with that bull.


I’m sure match going football fans have always cared about the ins and outs of Marxism and Communism or whatever else the pitiful excuse was from that section.


Also, taking a knee is inspired more by Colin Kaepernick and MLK Jr than anything BLM. It just became more of a thing in the U.K after the BLM protests here. That would involve too much research though, let’s just boo them before they set off for a tournment. Hell, we didn’t even boo John Terry who called someone a black bastard on a football pitch.

[bitontheslide]

i'm trying to provide a very reasonable response and I get don't give me that bull .... Thats part of the problem

[Ammi]

…Marcus Rashford discussed this again last night…well, he had a few second slot is all but it was mentioned again….I honestly don’t know and can’t fathom why the simple spirit of such a thing as taking the knee to show a united mindset against racism and inequality is being turned into such a negative thing ….taking the knee is not political, it shows a one mind together against inequality…it’s a gesture that everyone is of that same like mind because hopefully most people are…people like Farage try to place so much on it because change and progression is his personal ‘fight’….that’s displayed in everything he does and says…

…anyways from what I can see, the majority support but the booing is obviously what’s heard and then again, that’s used as a…oh look, people don’t agree…when it really does seem to be a booing few…let them boo while the knee continues to be taken in support …politics isn’t being supported, equality is…

[bitontheslide]

forcing extreme left wing political doctrine down peoples throats at the start of every england football game is not going to achieve universal support for it. The longer it continues the more dessent there will be

[arista]

"people don’t agree…when it really does
seem to be a booing few…let them boo while the knee
continues to be taken in support …politics isn’t being
supported, equality is…"





Those Fans pay for that
match they are watching Ammi
they Hate Politics being Dragged into the match.


I am sure Marcus understands that.
And just wants to stay as a Goal Winning Player

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

forcing extreme left wing political doctrine down peoples throats at the start of every England football game is not going to achieve universal support for it. The longer it continues the more dessent there will be

Yes it stinks

[Ammi]

…that’s always going to be someone’s choice, how they see it…whether they see it as a moment’s gesture of likeminded solidarity against inequality or whether they see it as an extreme left wing political doctrine being forced on them ….it’s a very, very simple thing and the spirit of it and in it is what we ourselves make it and how we perceive it…that one gesture doesn’t incorporate or represent a whole movement and it’s layers, it only represents a united show of equality and a one goal….

[Ammi]

…the longer it continues, the more dissent there will be…and the more dissent there is, the more it’s shown the need for it…it’s a bit of a stalemate, then…but through time there has always been resistance to progression in striving for equality…so, it’s just slogging on, really ….

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the longer it continues, the more dissent there will be…and the more dissent there is, the more it’s shown the need for it…it’s a bit of a stalemate, then…but through time there has always been resistance to progression in striving for equality…so, it’s just slogging on, really ….

the vast majority of people were fully supportive of the kick it out campaign which is the official anti racism campaign supported by all the international football bodies. Then England decided to take the knee and associate themselves with black lives matter, an american extreme left political organisation. Can you not see whats wrong with that? It's alienating so many people and sets the fight against racism backward not forward

[Ammi]

…it’s a very simple gesture and visual gestures are important as well to show support and to show a one mind and a one goal…it has no more meaning than that except for anyone who wishes to place more meaning, which mindsets like Farage try to in order to prohibit and prevent and keep the boat rocking how he prefers it…it doesn’t embody a complete belief in a movement that some seem very oppose to…it’s a gesture of equality…so there is the kick out movement…? …I get that also but I’m sorry, I just can’t get into a mindset that it can only be one thing…we have kick out so nothing further is necessary or wanted, this is how it is…?…how can restrictions like that be placed on equality and then any hope that progression will happen…it may prove to be meaningless and not progress anything at all..?…of course that’s possible… but it won’t change that being in one mind of a continued reaching of equality and being together in that…if something so united and simple in terms of a gesture could alienate and divide…then that mindset was very open to being alienated and divided so again…it very much shows the need for that united determination…

[arista]

Last Question on Question Time.

BLM Political is from USA
thats the problem,
Yanis from Greece Loves it.


Of Course He would................

A UK Football Pitch
is the wrong place.
Southgate is a Fool on "this"





Its Sport
Not Woke Politics

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s a very simple gesture and visual gestures are important as well to show support and to show a one mind and a one goal…it has no more meaning than that except for anyone who wishes to place more meaning, which mindsets like Farage try to in order to prohibit and prevent and keep the boat rocking how he prefers it…it doesn’t embody a complete belief in a movement that some seem very oppose to…it’s a gesture of equality…so there is the kick out movement…? …I get that also but I’m sorry, I just can’t get into a mindset that it can only be one thing…we have kick out so nothing further is necessary or wanted, this is how it is…?…how can restrictions like that be placed on equality and then any hope that progression will happen…it may prove to be meaningless and not progress anything at all..?…of course that’s possible… but it won’t change that being in one mind of a continued reaching of equality and being together in that…if something so united and simple in terms of a gesture could alienate and divide…then that mindset was very open to being alienated and divided so again…it very much shows the need for that united determination…

People cant dictate what a gesture means to someone else. Can't you see the irony in putting that forward.

The connection to BLM is very real, people arent making it up. I am not someone who would boo about it, but i most certainly don't like it and the longer it continues the more I will voice my opposition to it. It is my right to say I do not agree with what the gesture means to ME. It's connected with extreme left politics, and I will never ever support that

[Shaun]

"the connection to BLM is very real" except for... the literal proof and etymology (it originating with Colin Kaepernick) that it isn't, and the absence of any England footballers or staff endorsing BLM.

Christ it must be exhausting reading so much into an anti-racism campaign.

[AnnieK]

It's not forcing it down anyone's throat though. They aren't asking the fans to kneel, its the player's and their choice. Some PL players have stopped doing it and that's their choice. It's a 1 minute thing, don't like it, don't watch, get a brew etc. We have to watch them either looking stoney faced or pretending to know the National Anthem before the match, its just something they now do.

The likes of Rashford and Stirling get racist abuse during and after some games from their own fans, let alone when they play for England against some of the Eastern European teams.

[bitontheslide]

it is forcing it down peoples throats .... that's why they are doing it

Anyway, i will always support removing racism, but i will never support anything associated with BLM. So, for me it is now counter productive and that's not what you want from a campaign

i'm sure the extreme left wing on this forum are perfectly fine with it, as it aligns with their politics, but the vast majority of the country are not extreme left wing as evidenced by recent elections, so, its not going to get the support it would have if it were free of politics

[Ammi]

…it is free of politics, that’s the point…there is no politics in an anti discrimination gesture…the politics are being placed on it in a way of preventing….


…the resistance to it, to me is saying…we already have as much ‘equality’ as we’re comfortable with, we don’t need more….the fact that there is resistance and opposition as there is…?…to me show how much it’s needed to continue and I’m glad that that’s what the mindset atm within the football body is…