[Nicky91]

Prime minister Mark Rutte has said he would like to see Hungary expelled from the EU if it continues to go against EU values as it has with new legislation on homosexuality.

If they refuse to withdraw the legislation, ‘then as far as I am concerned, then there is nothing left for them in the EU,’ he said ahead of Thursday’s European summit.

The EU has no powers to intervene in Hungary’s own national laws but can start legal proceedings, Rutte said.

‘This is such a fundamental point, that if we let that go, we are nothing more than a trading block and a currency,’ Rutte said.

The gay-free zones in Poland are also an issue which needs to be tackled, he told reporters. ‘There are too many of these sort of issues emerging,’ he said. ‘I never thought that when I got this job (the premiership) 11 years ago, that we would be having these discussions about such fundamental values,’ he said.

Russia

Rutte also said he is not keen on European summit with Russia, as mooted by Germany and France. ‘Not when I am there at least,’ Rutte told reporters.

European leaders are expected to discuss the tense relationship between the EU and Vladimir Putin on Thursday evening. France and Germany are both keen on a more formal meeting with the Russian leader, which German chancellor Angela Merkel hopes will improve the situation.

But the MH17 issue is an important reason for the Netherlands not to be in the same room as Putin, commentators say. Russia denies any involvement in the shooting down of the passenger jet over eastern Ukraine in July 2014 and has refused to cooperate with the Dutch investigation.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...ws-says-rutte/



finally Rutte has the balls to speak the truth

[Cherie]

yes they need to be kicked out as do Poland

there has to be a core set of shared values that are not up for debate

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yes they need to be kicked out as do Poland

there has to be a core set of shared values that are not up for debate

Hungary yes

Poland no, more because you can reason with Duda kinda (i mean he is one who is willing to listen to his opposition)


Orban though, no that is a vile nasty piece of work who never listens to anyone except his own regime

[bitontheslide]

i think they have already breached membership rules with their retro democratic stances. The EU don't do anything yet they are happy to take a pharm company to court that is genuinely saving lives

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Hungary yes

Poland no, more because you can reason with Duda kinda (i mean he is one who is willing to listen to his opposition)


Orban though, no that is a vile nasty piece of work who never listens to anyone except his own regime

where you can reason with or not his 'gay free' zones needs to be addressed

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think they have already breached membership rules with their retro democratic stances. The EU don't do anything yet they are happy to take a pharm company to court that is genuinely saving lives

if only there was a actual democracy in Hungary


then that dictator trash would've already no longer been in power


those upcoming ''elections'' of theirs we already know the outcome, another landslide win of Orban disgusting

[arista]

Nicky they are Official Members of your Club.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

where you can reason with or not his 'gay free' zones needs to be addressed

Why?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54191344

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54191344

That's a bit heavy reading..I was imagining pubs and cafes, not whole towns.

Pretty sad that people see things like this tbh, and pretty sad that a lot of them seem to end up holding prominent positions as well.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That's a bit heavy reading..I was imagining pubs and cafes, not whole towns.

Pretty sad that people see things like this tbh, and pretty sad that a lot of them seem to end up holding prominent positions as well.

Its very heavy reading indeed ! I don't think any of us realised Poland was still living in the dark ages . Dreadful.

[parmnion]

Seemingly the german FA and UEFA have clashed over germany lighting up their stadiums in the rainbow flag in protest at the hungarians.

UEFA says no.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Seemingly the german FA and UEFA have clashed over germany lighting up their stadiums in the rainbow flag in protest at the hungarians.

UEFA says no.

those vile Hungarians should be kicked out of the UEFA

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Its very heavy reading indeed ! I don't think any of us realised Poland was still living in the dark ages . Dreadful.

It actually explains a lot about a kid in my daughter's class. My daughter came out as gay about 10 months ago and decided to tell her class (at which point, half the girls in the class declared themselves either gay or bi ) and literally no one has had an issue with it. A little bit of typical misogyny from some of the boys but mostly because they're trying to be edgy/it amuses them, none with any actual problem with it, she's literally experienced zero bullying which I think is quite amazing really...

...except there's one kid in the class, who moved over from Poland about 3 years ago, and he has taken major issue with it. And in a sort of weird way. His stance has essentially been, "I don't care who is or isn't gay that's your business but I want everyone to stop talking about it, I don't want to hear anyone mention it again, or any other gay stuff." and he's actually at times apparently got himself really angry/worked up/screaming/shouting about it.

It actually makes quite a bit of sense, based on what that article says is a common attitude in Poland... which is essentially, "do what you want in private but we don't want anyone acting gay or saying gay stuff in public".

So I can only imagine it's an inherited attitude from a parent. His dad looks like a dodgy **** to be honest and his parents split not long after moving here, suddenly and dramatically, with small-village rumours of domestic abuse, so I wouldn't be surprised if his dad has these opinions.

[arista]

He
Vikto Orbán
was on the News at the Brussels
he is not against Gays
but he is protecting his nation's children


He said.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

He
Vikto Orbán
was on the News at the Brussels
he is not against Gays
but he is protecting his nation's children


He said.

yes he had another pathetic excuse as usual

[Cherie]

The EU has no mechanism for kicking out a member

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes he had another pathetic excuse as usual

Yes, but he is standing by it
all in order to protect his nations children

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The EU has no mechanism for kicking out a member

Hm which is why the process for entry is (supposedly) so robust. But what's to stop a country "faking it" for a few years then immediately returning to previous attitudes .

[bitontheslide]

the eu can fine/sanction member countries who break the rules, but i think they would need a unanimous decision which by definition isnt going to happen

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the eu can fine/sanction member countries who break the rules, but i think they would need a unanimous decision which by definition isnt going to happen

Hungary needs to be sanctioned, fined into billions of debt

ruin that pathetic loser country to the ground