[Crimson Dynamo]

Tucker has featured this on his show

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lgbtq-...irls-at-la-spa

[user104658]

I'm sure she had a point in there somewhere but oh my. It was... difficult to decipher. I think(?) I largely agree with her main point and it's what I said above - the "wider clash between ideologies" here has managed to completely over-ride the fact that an INDIVIDUAL (seemingly) chose to expose their junk in front of children and that in itself must surely be considered a problem... and it highlights why the concerns of women in terms of single-sex spaces are not unfounded and why SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE ffs needs to sit down and start having rational, level-headed, grown up conversations about what needs to happen to make things the best they can be for everyone. Open, honest debate that isn't being constantly shut down by angry screaming from both corners.

Tucker himself is as always a slack-jawed arsehole, but I get that it's a gimmick that appeals to his core audience.

[Ammi]

…the design of this was always to be confrontational and not conversational, though….the fliers that the lady posted were a public/social media invitation to an ‘anti-pedo protest’…there were members of both QAnon and Antifa there, it had an agenda that was only ever meant to incite and aggravate, really…and sadly it’s the exact thing that only makes that conversation which needs to happen, more and more difficult…

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…the design of this was always to be confrontational and not conversational, though….the fliers that the lady posted were a public/social media invitation to an ‘anti-pedo protest’…there were members of both QAnon and Antifa there, it had an agenda that was only ever meant to incite and aggravate, really…and sadly it’s the exact thing that only makes that conversation which needs to happen, more and more difficult…

Antifa is far worse, Violent Left Wing Mob
though.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Antifa is far worse, Violent Left Wing Mob
though.

..I’m not getting into who is worse that who, that’s so playground, Arista…the point that I was making is that the flier that was posted was designed to cause exactly what it has…

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by arista

Antifa is far worse, Violent Left Wing Mob
though.

No lgbtq member will admit that, and non LGBTQ members will just deflect and sweep the accusation under the table.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Interesting comment from the Independent article on this:

" It is outrageous that the feelings of a fraction of a percent of the population - deluded men with a colossal sense of male entitlement - should override the safeguarding of 50 percent of the population. This was an adult man exposing his genitals to women and little girls in a women-only safe space. A few years ago he would have been prosecuted, now he is defended and the women who complain are vilified - what the hell is going on?"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Interesting comment from the Independent article on this:

" It is outrageous that the feelings of a fraction of a percent of the population - deluded men with a colossal sense of male entitlement - should override the safeguarding of 50 percent of the population. This was an adult man exposing his genitals to women and little girls in a women-only safe space. A few years ago he would have been prosecuted, now he is defended and the women who complain are vilified - what the hell is going on?"

My overwhelming feeling is still that in the end there will be no winners at the end of all of this. As it hits the mainstream consciousness more and more, the entire trans and very possibly the entire LGBTQ community is going to come under fire for the aggressive actions of a few.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My overwhelming feeling is still that in the end there will be no winners at the end of all of this. As it hits the mainstream consciousness more and more, the entire trans and very possibly the entire LGBTQ community is going to come under fire for the aggressive actions of a few.

…this is exactly what this ‘conversation’ doesn’t need and will only make it more and more difficult and less likely….because the situation is being hijacked by bigotry IMO…

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…this is exactly what this ‘conversation’ doesn’t need and will only make it more and more difficult and less likely….because the situation is being hijacked by bigotry IMO…

Genuine Bigotry on one side and unfounded (and in my opinion, often disingenuous and weaponised) accusations of bigotry on the other. It’s a mess all round and one feeds into the other; on the one hand genuine bigots can hide behind people who want a genuine conversation and pretend that they are not just bigots… on the other, it’s easier for people to throw accusations of “TERF” and “transphobe” at those people who just want a genuine conversation, if those people have genuine bigots clinging to their coat tails.

The result at the end of the day is that there can be no good faith political/academic discussion of the best way forward while there are genuinely hateful people screaming on one side, and aggressive moral-absolutist children chanting on the other.

It’s a flat-out dangerous discussion. We can discuss it in theory on a small anonymous platform like TiBB but in the open? Under my own name? Frankly - I simply am not prepared to take the sort of very real personal flak that comes with even trying to have that debate with anything resembling nuance.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Genuine Bigotry on one side and unfounded (and in my opinion, often disingenuous and weaponised) accusations of bigotry on the other. It’s a mess all round and one feeds into the other; on the one hand genuine bigots can hide behind people who want a genuine conversation and pretend that they are not just bigots… on the other, it’s easier for people to throw accusations of “TERF” and “transphobe” at those people who just want a genuine conversation, if those people have genuine bigots clinging to their coat tails.

The result at the end of the day is that there can be no good faith political/academic discussion of the best way forward while there are genuinely hateful people screaming on one side, and aggressive moral-absolutist children chanting on the other.

It’s a flat-out dangerous discussion. We can discuss it in theory on a small anonymous platform like TiBB but in the open? Under my own name? Frankly - I simply am not prepared to take the sort of very real personal flak that comes with even trying to have that debate with anything resembling nuance.

…I think that there are some ‘genuine sides’ who would be fine and open to discuss it…(…I don’t like the use of ‘sides’ as a term as such because I think there is quite a bit of common ground but there is a lot of progression still to get with conversations…)….but I’ve stated before that I feel there is some disingenuous intent and jumping on a bandwagon when I refer to bigotry…sexism and lack of support for many feminist related issues until the ‘transgender’ flag is waved and then …oh….

…as I say, I don’t feel that this is a good place to have such conversations but I do appreciate that there is some genuine willingness to have them from some and that’s sad and frustrating also…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Being debated LIVE on LBC right now

https://www.lbc.co.uk/

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Marsh.]

Have we really come to a place where whether exposed adult genitals around children is appropriate or not is an actual debate?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Have we really come to a place where whether exposed adult genitals around children is appropriate or not is an actual debate?

sadly in crazy California

yes

and if you disagree then a large number of people will attack you physically and try to seriously injure you

[Captain.Remy]

Exposed adult genitals around children is never OK whether you're a transgender person or not.

To answer some questions about why that person was allowed or is considered as a woman, it can help to know that some countries/states allow updating gender on legal documents based on either self-identification or based on proof of medical procedure for gender reassignment. I'm unsure if that person is from California or not and I'm not fully aware of California laws for gender legal update, but that's a beginning of an answer.

It's a shame these kind of actions happen and let's not take it out to the whole communities because those are isolated incidents (and again, exposed adult genitals in public places are not OK whether you're a cis person or trans). It's a tough discussion to have on both ends of the spectrums (same as trans people in sports etc)

[Withano]

What a weird story

Made even weirder by factually inaccurate video descriptions

Transphobic people get violent, but back away hurt because Antifa are willing to fight back in groups

Nobody comes off well here. And nobody is talking about trans-rights or trans-laws

This is just aggression for fun

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

What a weird story

Made even weirder by factually inaccurate video descriptions

Transphobic people get violent, but back away hurt because Antifa are willing to fight back in groups

Nobody comes off well here. And nobody is talking about trans-rights or trans-laws

This is just aggression for fun

What rights that superced a child?