[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

How will they make sure though? We were not allowed fags in school but a lot of people got them in, we were not allowed to pass notes, but we did. Kids having distracting things in school is not a new thing and its something schools have never been able to control. Kids get drugs, knives and all sorts of contraband in....how will they be able to stop phones? Are they going to physically search every pupil, install some kind of scanner?

A ban in the classrooms I agree with although its never going to be a reality I fear.

hopefully, any respectful parent will make sure they dont leave for school with one

parenting 101

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

hopefully, any respectful parent will make sure they dont leave for school with one

parenting 101

Same applies though....any respectful parent would make sure their kids don't leave with a packet of Bensons....but they do. Parents often have to leave before kids do.

Kids will always he sneaky....I know I was and I'm sure you were too

Growing up 101

[Parmy]

Adults are not permitted to use them at many workplaces across the uk.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Adults are not permitted to use them at many workplaces across the uk.

and employers are within their rights to impose this (in every workplace)

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and employers are within their rights to impose this (in every workplace)

Oh absolutely, I don't think they should be used in school but I am saying logistically I don't know how it will be enforced

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Oh absolutely, I don't think they should be used in school but I am saying logistically I don't know how it will be enforced

Simple, parents keep the phone in a safe place at home, perched for the kids grubby fingers to grab as soon as they come through the door.

[AnnieK]

You don't mean it with respect at all

As a parent yourself you know as well as anyone else that kids will be kids and even the best parents will never know everything they get up to.

My parent's were stricter than most and it was hard to get anything past my mother especially but I did.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You don't mean it with respect at all

As a parent yourself you know as well as anyone else that kids will be kids and even the best parents will never know everything they get up to.

My parent's were stricter than most and it was hard to get anything past my mother especially but I did.

and its up to adults to protect them and make sure they get a good education

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and its up to adults to protect them and make sure they get a good education

What do you think removing mobile phones will actually do? It's not going to make poor performers into model students or perform better, it's not going to stop bullying, it could even make some situations worse.

If you think that sending a kid to high school is bad parenting, I will wear that badge with pride. I will ensure he knows its not to be used in school and I will be pissed if he ever did but if he needs me or to call for help for any reason, I'm not leaving him without means.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

What do you think removing mobile phones will actually do? It's not going to make poor performers into model students or perform better, it's not going to stop bullying, it could even make some situations worse.

If you think that sending a kid to high school is bad parenting, I will wear that badge with pride. I will ensure he knows its not to be used in school and I will be pissed if he ever did but if he needs me or to call for help for any reason, I'm not leaving him without means.

ask a teacher

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ask a teacher

You're the one who seems to have the answers though so I'm asking you.

You said you hold parent's to higher standards and schools should have the wit to do it so you must have your reasons/opinions.

[Parmy]

Most bullying is done via mobile phone these days.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Most bullying is done via mobile phone these days.

Remove the mobile and what will happen? Kids walking home can't ring someone to tell them they are being followed by the bullies...and get a kicking

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

But as they leave the school
they get their phone back


No kid has been abducted in a school.

Coming back from school tho..and even if it hasn't happened yet, potential is there which is enough to mitigate risk. It's not just abduction anyway. Could have any number of things they need to contact you about, or vice versa. Along with tracking as has been mentioned.

No phones at all in unenforceable as parents won't allow it tbh, for good reason. Off/silent through the day and if caught messing on class, detention or something I think most reasonable parents would agree to.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Coming back from school tho..and even if it hasn't happened yet, potential is there which is enough to mitigate risk. It's not just abduction anyway. Could have any number of things they need to contact you about, or vice versa. Along with tracking as has been mentioned.

No phones at all in unenforceable as parents won't allow it tbh, for good reason. Off/silent through the day and if caught messing on class, detention or something I think most reasonable parents would agree to.

100% agree

[Parmy]

If someone wants to abduct a kid so bad they will just pick them up and throw the phone away...

The reason people don't abduct so much these days is probably down to the advanced CCTV operation the conservative government has put together.

Bullies, well by the time your kid is phoning you they will already have been bullied.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If someone wants to abduct a kid so bad they will just pick them up and throw the phone away...

The reason people don't abduct so much these days is probably down to the advanced CCTV operation the conservative government has put together.

Bullies, well by the time your kid is phoning you they will already have been bullied.

It's not just bullying or abduction though....as I said I wouldn't leave home without my phone in case of an emergency so why should I send my kid out with no way of contacting anyone if he needed someone for any reason.

[Ammi]

…I don’t think that anyone is objecting to the ban of any use of mobile phones in school unless there was a specific emergency type reason that had been agreed…it’s more the travelling to and from school and there are lots of reasons why children can need a phone….for medical reasons for instance or they may not be going directly home…so a parent needs to know if their child has got to their destination okay…I mean even at primary school level, there are many reasons why some children need and have to have phones for their school journey and obviously much more so at higher school level …it’s really more, how the system of ‘no phones’ will work during the school day and I assume some schools will have lockers systems etc…but that’s something that the schools will all have to work out individually as there won’t be a one size fits all schools system for phone storage….

[Tom4784]

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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Only a **** parent would want their kids out and about without a phone because them having a phone would be 'throwing in the towel' in their eyes.

Pity the parents who can’t afford to supply their kids with a phone….

[user104658]

Really at the end of the day, there’s no way to actually impose a ban anyway without repeatedly searching through kids stuff which is 1) not allowed and an invasion of privacy and 2) impossible in terms of time and resources… kids will just bring them anyway and keep them in their bag.

They weren’t allowed at my daughter’s primary school but most kids had them for the final two years… and by the end the teachers knew fine well they had them, it was just a sort of unspoken agreement of “we know it’s in your bag, but so long as it’s not seen on school grounds no one is going to say anything”.

It would just end up like that everywhere; people would have them in their bag on silent. How would anyone know?

The one thing they did come down on hard was if anyone was ever caught taking pictures/making videos in school. I think it happened twice in 2 years though.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Really at the end of the day, there’s no way to actually impose a ban anyway without repeatedly searching through kids stuff which is 1) not allowed and an invasion of privacy and 2) impossible in terms of time and resources… kids will just bring them anyway and keep them in their bag.

They weren’t allowed at my daughter’s primary school but most kids had them for the final two years… and by the end the teachers knew fine well they had them, it was just a sort of unspoken agreement of “we know it’s in your bag, but so long as it’s not seen on school grounds no one is going to say anything”.

It would just end up like that everywhere; people would have them in their bag on silent. How would anyone know?

The one thing they did come down on hard was if anyone was ever caught taking pictures/making videos in school. I think it happened twice in 2 years though.

…back in the day, not that long ago actually…we had a 3 tier system with a middle school before high school and that middle school life would begin in what is primary year 5 now…?…that was ‘big school’…..now ‘big school’ is high school which begins in year 7 …but once at middle school, many children (…with parental consent…)….would travel to and from school independently of parents …when it was all changed to a two tier system, primary schools had to offer that same independence that had been previously given and incorporate it into their system for years 5 and...so children had the option (…with parental consent…)…of walking or cycling home without a parent…that’s another thing, a child could fall off their bike and need to contact someone….but anyway, yeah that’s when the ‘you can bring a phone into school, in fact we’d prefer you did’ policy began at our school for those children who were walking or cycling home without a parent…those phones are kept in the school office in a safe but that can be done on a small scale ….not obviously if most of the pupils are taking their phones in as in a high school…

[user104658]

LT has changed his mind because he realised that the school kids could use their phones to go on YouTube and learn how to peep out Orange marching tunes on their recorders in music class?

[Parmy]

Amazing how a thread can become so personal for no reason.

Worst of all though, we have non parents telling parents they are **** parents for deciding to not allow their kids to go to school with a mobile phone.


Absolutely disgusting

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Amazing how a thread can become so personal for no reason.

Worst of all though, we have non parents telling parents they are **** parents for deciding to not allow their kids to go to school with a mobile phone.


Absolutely disgusting

We also have parents telling parents that they are below the bar for allowing their kids to take a phone for safety reasons without giving a valid opinion on why mobile phones should be left at home.