[Ammi]

…I recall the conversations and debates about Venus and Serena and the horrendous racial abuse they would have from the crowd at times…that type of racial abuse may have become more electronic now at times and be delivered on the internet as well but it’s the actual racist attitudes that are still sadly too prevalent in our society no matter where they’re sitting and that’s what needs to be addressed and targeted…


…people bully in schools for instance…people bully in work places…people are racially abused in schools and workplaces and etc, it sadly happens and ‘avoidance’ and boycotting isn’t the answer because it doesn’t address the problem…tackling discriminatory and racist attitudes is and supporting ‘anti’ gestures when they’re practised as well…rather than opposing and trying to attach agendas that aren’t there….


…all IMO of course…

[Alf]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Yep and here lies one of the problems.

Racism is engrained I think and can be a result of family heritage.

I have a friend who can be very racist, but then so were her parents.

People are taught this ****, rather than being brought up to be decent human beings. Times have changed and you have to adapt, we no longer have to sit blacks at the back of the bus or not allow them in pubs etc. Can be hard to change that if you’re from that era and been taught to hate.

It is the minority though.

Don’t get me started on black people who shout for equality, scream racism but are homophobic. Can’t have it both ways mate and your religion isn’t an excuse.... different debate that though...

But this current debate will go around and around in circles unless people are held accountable....which relies on platforms taking action.

in Britain, non Caucasian people have never had to sit at the back of the bus and they've never been banned from pubs as far as I'm aware, when was this?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…There really isn’t a lot more to say other than what Leon already has…it really is disappointing at best and heartbreaking at its worst and this really is the worst…it’s sad and deflating to feel more strength of feeling of ‘outrage’ over books or photographs on a wall being removed than how fellow humans are being abused…

….The criticism of Boris Johnson and him not condemning the booing is that it wasn’t political and who wouldn’t condemn and anti racist gesture in support of those who are abused on ‘a daily basis’ because of their race…he’s the country leader and should be a representative of putting the ‘great’ into Britain again….and anti racism is something to openly and vocally support with a public disapproval of booing anti discrimination gestures ….it’s a simple thing, a basic thing….

I really agree with all you said and what Brother Leon did too.

Nothing to add from me, you both have covered it all admirably in my view.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

english footballers have been saying taking the knee is not political and yet here we have the same footballers criticising politicians for not condemning booing of the gesture. Couldn't make it up

Can you explain how taking the knee is political and what it represents to you? Why footballers condemning politicians for giving the thugs a green light to continue booing them and the escalation we saw post final, is hypocritical or proves your point as you seem to infer?

[AnnieK]

The footballers have always said it is not Political. Priti Patel said it was gesture politics. That's why they feel they can question her motives for now coming out and saying, quite rightly, how awful the racist abuse is after always sweeping away their concerns of racism in the sport initially as "gesture" politics. That's how I see it anyway.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The footballers have always said it is not Political. Priti Patel said it was gesture politics. That's why they feel they can question her motives for now coming out and saying, quite rightly, how awful the racist abuse is after always sweeping away their concerns of racism in the sport initially as "gesture" politics. That's how I see it anyway.

YOu dont think racism is political and anti-racism is political?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The footballers have always said it is not Political. Priti Patel said it was gesture politics. That's why they feel they can question her motives for now coming out and saying, quite rightly, how awful the racist abuse is after always sweeping away their concerns of racism in the sport initially as "gesture" politics. That's how I see it anyway.

I'm sure that's how most see it, but for some reason, bots thinks this bunch of 20 something year old, multi-millionaires are supporting Marxism. Which, even if they were (they aren't), sort of ignores how it's a protest against racism.

[Tom4784]

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[Ammi]

…it’s also that Boris didn’t condemn the booing of taking of the knee…he’s a lip service guy…he talks the talk of making Britain great and slogans the three word slogan but he won’t condemn booing of an anti racism gesture…

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s also that Boris didn’t condemn the booing of taking of the knee…he’s a lip service guy…he talks the talk of making Britain great and slogans the three word slogan but he won’t condemn booing of an anti racism gesture…

He was pretty vocal at yesterdays briefing

Crawl back under your rock or words to that effect

[LeatherTrumpet]

England captain Harry Kane says Premier League players should
continue to take a knee before matches in support of the Black Lives Matter
movement.




https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55151065

[Ammi]

…sadly it took an horrendous racial abuse to happen first, which everyone is appalled at…but he had an opportunity to condemn the booing and use his voice then but he didn’t….

[LeatherTrumpet]

Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement

An FBI report released in 2017 found that attacks on police in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and Dallas, Texas were influenced by the Black Lives Matter
movement, with 28 pe rcent of those who used deadly force against police
officers motivated by a hatred of police. An unclassified FBI study following the
Dallas cop-killing spree of 2016 that left 5 officers shot dead reported
departments and individual officers increasingly taking the decision to stop
proactive policing amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by
movements like Black Lives Matter had become the “new norm.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ical-movement/

[The Slim Reaper]

[LeatherTrumpet]

England's players have knelt before each of their three group stage games in solidarity
with the Black Lives Matter movement against racial injustice.

https://www.dw.com/en/euro-2020-germ...est/a-58084605

Deutsche Welle (DW) is Germany’s international broadcaster and one of the most successful and relevant international media outlets.

looks like this political message just is not getting through?

[Marsh.]

You're sweating from your frantic googling in support of racism.

[The Slim Reaper]

Racism isn't a political issue, it's a humanity issue. The only reason it became political was because countries, continents, kings and queens and then parties lived their lives in defence and support of the notion that people are inferior because they look different.

Anti-racists don't even exist without racists.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

England's players have knelt before each of their three group stage games in solidarity
with the Black Lives Matter movement against racial injustice.

https://www.dw.com/en/euro-2020-germ...est/a-58084605

Deutsche Welle (DW) is Germany’s international broadcaster and one of the most successful and relevant international media outlets.

looks like this political message just is not getting through?

Have you even read that article? It talks about how the German players and coach also support the cause. I have no idea what you even posted this trying to prove.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement

An FBI report released in 2017 found that attacks on police in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and Dallas, Texas were influenced by the Black Lives Matter
movement, with 28 pe rcent of those who used deadly force against police
officers motivated by a hatred of police. An unclassified FBI study following the
Dallas cop-killing spree of 2016 that left 5 officers shot dead reported
departments and individual officers increasingly taking the decision to stop
proactive policing amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by
movements like Black Lives Matter had become the “new norm.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ical-movement/

The article is behind a pay wall, and nothing in the preview said anything about neo-marxism. That's the problem with google searching for BLM marxism I guess

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Racism isn't a political issue, it's a humanity issue. The only reason it became political was because countries, continents, kings and queens and then parties lived their lives in defence and support of notion that people were inferior because they looked different.

Anti-racists don't even exist without racists.

…its totally a human issue and it’s so easy to use and excuse the umbrella of ‘political’ so that action can become inaction because ‘this isn’t the time and place for political’….

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…its totally a human issue and it’s so easy to use and excuse the umbrella of ‘political’ so that action can become inaction because ‘this isn’t the time and place for political’….

The argument doesn't even make much sense. If the tories started pushing policies of wealth taxation to invest in communities, I would support that issue even though I can't stand tories (separate from conservatives), so it's even worse than inaction, because it's purely a defense. There is potential lack of agency when it comes to inaction, but when it becomes a way too defend racists and their racism, then it is a defence, which, ironically, is indefensible.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so basically you won't back a likeable bunch of men due to a small percentage of cretins? the same happens in Club football have you fallen out of love with that as well?

I didn't hear a single boo or racist chant in Wembley after the team lost? did you?

Meanwhile in Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/football...r-racist-abuse

Where did I say I won’t back this team? I’ve literally said the complete opposite and how I’ve never backed an England side like this one, but it’s easy to see why some feel they don’t belong to the fanbase.

I was lucky to be at the Semi and Final at Wembley. Im not going to go into deep details , but consoling your little cousin who’s in tears and then hearing “****ing blacks let us down” etc from fully grown men and seeing all the random violence towards random black people was heart breaking to say the least. My post hasn’t come from nowhere.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

You wanna know why these young men take a knee before every game, there it is. It only takes them losing a game for some to turn on them and start throwing disgusting racial abuse like it’s nothing.

Saka is ****ing 19 and never took a pen in his career and yet had the courage to step up for his country. Sancho is only 21 and Rashford has done so much to help the Vulnerable in the last year and yet this is the kind of abuse they get. No doubt they will be getting cheered the next time they score for England though. It’s honestly heartbreaking and just as I was starting to fall in love with England Football team and how much these guys can represent so many that never felt included with England, you are reminded again just why so many feel like they don’t belong to support the National Team.

Saka played really well even after being grabbed by the neck of his shirt and thrown on the ground (the player who fouled him should have been given a red card). And he never missed the penalty the goalie just saved it.

racist idiots will always be racist idiots sadly .

Rashford, Sancho & Saka should be proud of themselves , yes it's disappointing they lost but England still got to the final which is an achievement in itself.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement

An FBI report released in 2017 found that attacks on police in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and Dallas, Texas were influenced by the Black Lives Matter
movement, with 28 pe rcent of those who used deadly force against police
officers motivated by a hatred of police. An unclassified FBI study following the
Dallas cop-killing spree of 2016 that left 5 officers shot dead reported
departments and individual officers increasingly taking the decision to stop
proactive policing amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by
movements like Black Lives Matter had become the “new norm.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ical-movement/

as if i am gonna read this nonsense from that far right tabloid



BLM is not political

[Cherie]

Instagram say sending a monkey emoji to black players is quite acceptable

https://wtxnews.com/news-briefing/th...ays-instagram/