[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

a major study has proven the UK is the least racist nation on God's earth

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Stamping out racism is an ongoing thing and its a societal problem not just a football one but its something there has been a lot of progress in the last few decades hasn't there? Maybe its not for me to say but I've definitely noticed a shift in public attitudes just in my own lifetime and as depressing as the racism is I also don't think I've seen more anti-racism activism in any other country than I've seen in English football in the last twelve months

Considering Kick it out started in the early 90's yet there is still a problem then I dont think there has been as much progress as you think.

The 40 years I quoted is quite damming IMO. The guys who abused Paul Parker in the pub I was in in 1990 will probably have kids, maybe grandkids now but the abuse continues. It tells me there is a whole new generation who think its Ok to abuse black players. Like I said in another thread, I think its a mindset that I dont see going away anytime soon.

[Mystic Mock]

Racist abuse is horrible at the best of times, but racist abuse for missing a penalty just shows to me that some of these people throwing the abuse need to get a life.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I too hope they take into account our diversity, our passionate support, our teams anti-racism stance and the huge shows of support to Marcus Rashford et al when they are deciding who should host the World Cup

I highly doubt Rashford would describe the treatment he has received as "passionate support". Also, when supporters of other teams are being beaten in the streets, vilified for no good reason and finding themselves on the receiving end of racially-charged and xenophobic threats, it is hardly a surprise that I would come to the conclusion that perhaps England isn't a safe place for such supporters to be welcomed.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

oh

British football fans?

Do enlighten us specifically what you mean?

Specifically Wales, Scotland and NI

?

My apologies, that was a thoughtless generalisation - English football fans, specifically.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Does anyone know how many people made these comments?

Actual numbers

And actual numbers from the UK

Not Africa

Not Asia

Not middle East

Not Russia

How many of the 66,000,000 that live in this great nation?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Does anyone know how many people made these comments?

Actual numbers

And actual numbers from the UK

Not Africa

Not Asia

Not middle East

Not Russia

How many of the 66,000,000 that live in this great nation?

Good lord

Constantly wanting proof or evidence. No doubt when you are presented with the evidence you'll discredit the source.

If you dont think theres a problem then thats fine. No problem here. I'd like to discuss it, if you feel that way, but know you're unlikely to engage is such a discussion. This constant demand for more proof, more evidence though....

[Cherie]

Instagram has admitted a mistake in its technology meant racist comments and emojis were not removed.
It comes after a flood of racist abuse was directed at England footballers Bukayo Saka, Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho following the men's Euro 2020 final.
Instagram boss Adam Mosseri said content had "mistakenly" been identified as within guidelines instead of referred to human moderators.
The issue had now been fixed, he said.
“We have technology to try and prioritise reports and we were mistakenly marking some of these as benign comments, which they are absolutely not,” he told BBC News.
“The issue has since been addressed.
"Reports on these types of comments should [now] be reviewed properly.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57848106

[LeatherTrumpet]

Marcus Rashford mural damage 'not racist', say police

The words "F--- Sancho" were scrawled over the huge artwork of the England footballer,
painted on the side of a cafe in Copson Street.

The words "s---" and "b------" were also written beside the word "Saka", referencing the
19-year-old player Bukayo Saka whose final penalty miss gave Italy victory.

An offensive drawing was also daubed over Rashford's face.

Rashford, Bukayo Saka and Jadon Sancho, who all missed their penalties, were targeted
with racist abuse on social media after the shootout saw Italy lift the trophy.

But Greater Manchester Police said in a statement: "While the content of the vandalism
is not believed to be of a racial nature, officers are keeping an open mind as to the
motive behind defacing the artwork."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...st-say-police/

[caprimint]

Not gonna read through 10 pages of this **** because I've got a good idea of what it's gonna be but I'm gonna assume that MTVN or LT spoke something similar to my thoughts earlier judging by the last few pages.

We're one of the most welcoming, diverse and accepting countries in the world and it's a privilege for people to live here. I'm not sure why these extremely few racist messages are being highlighted when it's such a minority. I honestly don't know how or if people think there will ever be a day without any racists or their comments because there won't. It's sad but it's just how it is. Marcus and the other guys' status aren't defined by one penalty, they did their best in the moment and that was enough.

[bitontheslide]

also on the bbc

Vandalism that was sprayed on a mural of Marcus Rashford is "not believed to be of a racial nature", say police.

The work in Withington, where Rashford grew up, was defaced after England lost in the Euro 2020 final.

Officers say they have several lines of inquiry and are "keeping an open mind" about the possible motive.

The mural, which was covered in positive messages after the vandalism, has since been restored by street artist Akse.

Greater Manchester Police said officers were examining CCTV from the area and forensic evidence from the spray paint used.

No arrests have been made.

A police spokesperson said: "While the content of the vandalism is not believed to be of a racial nature, officers are keeping an open mind as to the motive behind defacing the artwork."

Supt Richard Timson added: "On Monday morning when we saw the damage done to the mural in Withington we were all left appalled, and we stand with the rest of the community whose solidarity against this vile abuse ever since has really shown the best of our city."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-57852315

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Not gonna read through 10 pages of this **** because I've got a good idea of what it's gonna be but I'm gonna assume that MTVN or LT spoke something similar to my thoughts earlier judging by the last few pages.

We're one of the most welcoming, diverse and accepting countries in the world and it's a privilege for people to live here. I'm not sure why these extremely few racist messages are being highlighted when it's such a minority. I honestly don't know how or if people think there will ever be a day without any racists or their comments because there won't. It's sad but it's just how it is. Marcus and the other guys' status aren't defined by one penalty, they did their best in the moment and that was enough.

well maybe if we those scum fire up into space, thx to Virgin Galactic (one way ticket to the moon, oh wait not far enough, let them go on the first mars mission to check if that one can indeed be colonized)

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Does anyone know how many people made these comments?

Actual numbers

And actual numbers from the UK

Not Africa

Not Asia

Not middle East

Not Russia

How many of the 66,000,000 that live in this great nation?

I heard 4 and 3 have had a visit from police.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

I heard 4 and 3 have had a visit from police.

yes that is the numbers i have heard now

[parmnion]

I've heard there were no reports of racist abuse in the stands, before, during and after he game.

[Elliot]

The U.K. has a special brand of anti blackness because they’re in blatant denial about it. At least the states are somewhat aware of their racist institutions and how this perpetuates vitriol and bigotry. This country loves to put itself on a pedalstool while racism and xenophobia here is at an all time high.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Elliot

The U.K. has a special brand of anti blackness because they’re in blatant denial about it. At least the states are somewhat aware of their racist institutions and how this perpetuates vitriol and bigotry. This country loves to put itself on a pedalstool while racism and xenophobia here is at an all time high.

It's probably at an all time low tbh...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Elliot

The U.K. has a special brand of anti blackness because they’re in blatant denial about it. At least the states are somewhat aware of their racist institutions and how this perpetuates vitriol and bigotry. This country loves to put itself on a pedalstool while racism and xenophobia here is at an all time high.

can you back that up with some evidence

a link?

[Tom4784]

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[parmnion]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Not gonna read through 10 pages of this **** because I've got a good idea of what it's gonna be but I'm gonna assume that MTVN or LT spoke something similar to my thoughts earlier judging by the last few pages.

We're one of the most welcoming, diverse and accepting countries in the world and it's a privilege for people to live here. I'm not sure why these extremely few racist messages are being highlighted when it's such a minority. I honestly don't know how or if people think there will ever be a day without any racists or their comments because there won't. It's sad but it's just how it is. Marcus and the other guys' status aren't defined by one penalty, they did their best in the moment and that was enough.

Some very valid truths told there stacey.

Imagine if this was the 80s or 90s and the internet was around with all the platforms available for football fans to post on back then..You are spot on about this being blown out of proportion.

Highlighting it the way the media has this time will only stoke further racial tension anyone had in their heads.

[parmnion]

The crux of the matter is, 3 players, 2 of which did eff all the whole tournament.took 3 awful penalties.

Southgate, (his name now as everyone's dropped the Gartleth like he was everyone's best friend tag) brought the 2 heaps of **** at taking penalties on, to actually take penalties

Uncle Gareth made a huge blunder, and is now happily deflecting his ginormous **** up by backing the non story of racism taking over.

[thesheriff443]

The abuse those footballers received by a few random brain dead individuals in the final has had a great impact on racism.

It’s only when it gets maximum exposure and people power do those responsible get punished.

[LeatherTrumpet]

ironically the exposure has come not from the racists..

therein lies a tale....

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ironically the exposure has come not from the racists..

therein lies a tale....

It does but some people can’t see the bigger picture

The people in power want and encourage a devision

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It does but some people can’t see the bigger picture

The people in power want and encourage a devision

I would say it's the people not in power pushing the agenda.