[Babayaro.]

it was returned to him last month? ****ing hell man

[bitontheslide]

Having killed his mother, Davison left the property and immediately shot and killed Mr Martyn and his daughter on the street.

Stephen Washington, 59, was also killed, along with Kate Shepherd, 66, who was injured at the scene and died later at Derriford Hospital.

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I call that terrorism

[Cherie]

I thought pump action guns were illegal in the UK? What reason would someone have to hold one

[Tom4784]

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[Ashley.]

This is my hometown, where I live... and it is the sort of thing you expect to hear about in places like the US with relaxed laws and multiple shootings, but not here. I think a lot of people are staying inside today.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No, not necessairly.

Terrorism is normally political. This could have been mental health related.



Incorrect, in my opinion.

Yes, attacks are increasing. It's not mostly against women. It's mostly against those who do not follow certain ideology regardless of sex..... ie religion based. FGM and religion based where the men are superior and women are just a commidity, yes, but in regards to terrorism I don't think you can say it's mainly women.

When a guy drove into people on the london bridge, he was aiming for people, not just women.

When Lee Rigby was slatered on our streets etc etc

Yes, online radicalism is huge. The people they recruit are vunerable themselves.

As usual, you have literally no idea what you’re talking about, but on this occasion I can’t be bothered going too far into it. The PUA/MRA/Incel movements are no different to radical Islam or racial extremism, they do target women, repeatedly, it has been a growing problem for decades and this is 100% terrorism.

Just because it’s not a subsection of radicalised behaviour you were previously aware of doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You would do well to actually read up on it, instead of dismissing it out of hand, because you aren’t aware of the issues women face.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's clear cut terrorism, really.

Yes Incel is Terrorism.

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-51-hated.html

[rusticgal]

So so tragic…the lives he has ruined.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So so tragic…the lives he has ruined.

I dont get it at all gal, why?

[caprimint]

Disgusting and shocking crime. His mental health was obviously a complete mess judging by everything he said on Youtube

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No, not necessairly.

Terrorism is normally political. This could have been mental health related.



Incorrect, in my opinion.

Yes, attacks are increasing. It's not mostly against women. It's mostly against those who do not follow certain ideology regardless of sex..... ie religion based. FGM and religion based where the men are superior and women are just a commidity, yes, but in regards to terrorism I don't think you can say it's mainly women.

When a guy drove into people on the london bridge, he was aiming for people, not just women.

When Lee Rigby was slatered on our streets etc etc

Yes, online radicalism is huge. The people they recruit are vunerable themselves.

I agree with all this

[Toy Soldier]

Do you think that an Islamic extremist making videos online saying that he’s going to blow people up in the name of an invisible man in the sky is demonstrating good mental health?

No of course not; it’s bat**** bonkers. But it’s still radicalisation, extremism and terrorism. Just like this.

He didn’t come up with this stuff himself, there are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of these guys encouraging each other, winding each other up, and recruiting young confused people.

Just like any other terrorist group.

[arista]

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[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's clear cut terrorism, really.

In your eyes, not the laws.

Nothing clear cut about it

[Cherie]

The picture of that family is heartbreaking, and to find out she was adopted so all the hoops they had to jump through to get her, just appalling

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As usual, you have literally no idea what you’re talking about, but on this occasion I can’t be bothered going too far into it. The PUA/MRA/Incel movements are no different to radical Islam or racial extremism, they do target women, repeatedly, it has been a growing problem for decades and this is 100% terrorism.

Just because it’s not a subsection of radicalised behaviour you were previously aware of doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You would do well to actually read up on it, instead of dismissing it out of hand, because you aren’t aware of the issues women face.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you think that an Islamic extremist making videos online saying that he’s going to blow people up in the name of an invisible man in the sky is demonstrating good mental health?

No of course not; it’s bat**** bonkers. But it’s still radicalisation, extremism and terrorism. Just like this.

He didn’t come up with this stuff himself, there are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of these guys encouraging each other, winding each other up, and recruiting young confused people.

Just like any other terrorist group.

So basically you don’t want a debate. Well leave the forum then hunny as this is what serious debates is about.

You said it’s mostly aimed at women, I gave you examples of it not mainly being women, but that’s fine you dismiss that.

You need to look at the law as to what is classified terrorism. I’m sure that the police who study it have got it all wrong though seeing as they have not classed this as terrorism.

Intel, you’re putting 2 + 2 together to come up with 500. He killed men in this stack too.

Carry on though as you don’t want a debate.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you think that an Islamic extremist making videos online saying that he’s going to blow people up in the name of an invisible man in the sky is demonstrating good mental health?

No of course not; it’s bat**** bonkers. But it’s still radicalisation, extremism and terrorism. Just like this.

He didn’t come up with this stuff himself, there are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of these guys encouraging each other, winding each other up, and recruiting young confused people.

Just like any other terrorist group.

He said hi,self he didn’t identify as Intel.

There are a lot of things which could have pushed him to do this and that might not include intel.

You should be a women’s activist seeing as you have such passionate views about mainly women this, mainly women that yet ignoring the bigger picture.

[bitontheslide]

he identified as part of a group that felt he had a right to have sex with women and took his revenge for not getting that on the biggest woman figure in his life, his mother. I don't know how much clearer it could be

That would have been bad enough, but the fact he then went on to murder random people passing in the street is another level. To deliberately murder a 3 year old little girl is just beyond words for me

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he identified as part of a group that felt he had a right to have sex with women and took his revenge for not getting that on the biggest woman figure in his life, his mother. I don't know how much clearer it could be

That would have been bad enough, but the fact he then went on to murder random people passing in the street is another level. To deliberately murder a 3 year old little girl is just beyond words for me

I don’t actually know how clearer it could be.

From his video, he actually talks about being the terminator so I just don’t think it’s fair to say 100% this was intel related. I’m thinking holistically about this...domestic dispute, mental health.... we don’t know 100%...and in order to class something as terrorism, in the eyes of the law, there has to be grounds and reasonable suspicion....it’s just not 100 clear cut as to the motives and reasoning.

Mental health is a cross roads and we can take one path or the other, many cases, numerous paths.

I think he identified as many things and couldn’t see the wood through the trees.

Again, it could be intel, but then it could be narcissist personality disorder which includes delusions of grandeur... I understand the polices reasoning to not classify this as terrorism at this point

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-51-hated.html

This really irks me.

‘Dog Walker’ ffs Can’t they have the decency to say their actual names instead of giving them a tag??