[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, take his word for it that it was consensual rough sex. Not like the woman is here to verify that for herself.

Now you're getting it.

Seriously I can't say that I'm shocked anymore, this country is a joke when it comes to murder.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To actually kill someone by choking takes some strength and time....she would have struggled and then stopped as she lost consciousness and he will have still had to continue until death occurred. No way is that an "accident". I would imagine TS is not far off from the mark - possibly worried his wife may find out and wanted to ensure that didn't happen.

Even if it were an accident - his actions have taken a mother from her children and he needs to pay for that.

The sentence is a joke.

Agree with this.

HE must have had some signs of a struggle on his clothing and body - Scratches etc. yet still claims it was consensual. No chance

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Would you enjoy it if your partner was totally drunk?

It’s unlikely to happen if he’s drunk. I’m also able to overpower him if I needed too which obviously in this case she wasn’t able to do.

This wasn’t an accident.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I enjoy it

Like I said, people who do obviously exist and to an extent each to their own. All I can say is be careful because like I said, there’s no safe way to do it, and a bit of pressure in the wrong place (on your carotid artery restricting blood flow to the brain, rather than restricting breathing) and you could have a seizure (potentially bad) or a stroke (obviously worse). And it’s not a matter of being careful/aware, it can take literally a couple of seconds to cause a seizure, and a couple of seconds longer, if your partner doesn’t realise it’s not “happy convulsions” but “oh no he’s pissed himself and swallowed his tongue” convulsions, for you to have a bleed on the brain.

[Livia]

If the court believes he drank 24 lagers first and then strangled her "during consensual sex"... then they'll believe anything.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Like I said, people who do obviously exist and to an extent each to their own. All I can say is be careful because like I said, there’s no safe way to do it, and a bit of pressure in the wrong place (on your carotid artery restricting blood flow to the brain, rather than restricting breathing) and you could have a seizure (potentially bad) or a stroke (obviously worse). And it’s not a matter of being careful/aware, it can take literally a couple of seconds to cause a seizure, and a couple of seconds longer, if your partner doesn’t realise it’s not “happy convulsions” but “oh no he’s pissed himself and swallowed his tongue” convulsions, for you to have a bleed on the brain.

When I was a teenager there was a bloke who lived across the road to us found hanging off the bannisters with his cock in his hand. Seriously, you can have great sex without putting your life at risk. And if you can't... if it doesn't hurt when you pee, perhaps just use it for that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

When I was a teenager there was a bloke who lived across the road to us found hanging off the bannisters with his cock in his hand. Seriously, you can have great sex without putting your life at risk. And if you can't... if it doesn't hurt when you pee, perhaps just use it for that.

I didn't want to generalise too much based on sex but I have heard cases similar to that and it's always men. You never hear of women choking themselves to death in a self sex game gone wrong. It's always a man saying oh she wanted me to do it after he's killed her. I don't think you can count women in porn because they're getting paid to act out what men want/like to think women enjoy.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't want to generalise too much based on sex but I have heard cases similar to that and it's always men. You never hear of women choking themselves to death in a self sex game gone wrong. It's always a man saying oh she wanted me to do it after he's killed her. I don't think you can count women in porn because they're getting paid to act out what men want/like to think women enjoy.

No, you never hear of women choking themselves... that's true. I feel like this defence is going to be used and abused in the future and apart from filling the defendant with a truth drug or beating it out of them, there's going to be no proof either way.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

When I was a teenager there was a bloke who lived across the road to us found hanging off the bannisters with his cock in his hand. Seriously, you can have great sex without putting your life at risk. And if you can't... if it doesn't hurt when you pee, perhaps just use it for that.

When I was in Uni halls a guy in our block came into the kitchen a bit distressed, and relayed to us a tale of how he'd been trying it out using a belt attached to the back of his door, and that he'd suddenly realised he couldn't get down and panicked and almost passed out (at which point he'd probably have died) ... why he chose to tell us all that I'll never know, seems like a story you'd take to the grave .

He was full of fanastical sex stories though, in 3rd year him and his girlfriend got into chemsex (sex on various drugs, for the uninitiated), which they then abruptly stopped after having sex on a bad LSD trip. And I swear he's never been the same since... he was really anxious for the rest of our time at Uni, and I see him crop up occasionally when I log into Facebook. He still looks... haunted. That **** was something like 14 years ago .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

24 bottles of lager, he may have not been up to the job, she laughed and he strangled her.
Whatever did happen, the crime deserves more time.

pretty much, he should get life

[Toy Soldier]

Just to add some tidbits to this thread (because I have a habit of obsessively learning about things when they come up) I've been reading up and it's actually even worse than I was aware of before

- As well as the strokes and seizures, pressure on the neck can cause cardiac arrhythmia (irregular heatbeat) and cardiac arrest because the brain is saying "I don't have enough oxygen" and the heart goes into overdrive.

- Many high-profile bondage and BDSM experts advise against it even for non-amateurs because it's so risky and unpredictable.

- The reason people like it is because when the choke stops, the brain gets a dopamine flood and the person experiences euphoria. Which for one means it's addictive, and two means people might need to "increase intensity" to achieve the same effect over time, which makes it increasingly dangerous.

- If someone is doing it regularly over a long span of time, the risk of brain damage actually shifts from "risky" into "likely".


I dunno. Should it be illegal? Probably not, it's still up to individuals if they want to take that risk I guess, but honestly I think the only people who are doing it should have sought each other out specifically. I think even suggesting a partner try it as either the choker or the chokee is a massive ?? in terms of informed consent. Even if you're asking someone else to choke YOU, you're putting them at risk of having to live with the legal and moral consequences of potentially killing or severely/permanently injuring someone.