[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Bizarre interview. Still seems totally unrepentant tbh - said at one point she did 'nothing wrong' - and almost incapable of any emotion at all apart from self pity

Yeah it's always been pretty clear she has no regrets. If she is ever allowed back, no way should she be anywhere but an institution.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't know what to make of her which is unusual as I usually get a feel for the person, but I think she is emotionally flat

Yes the Health Secretary
who was Home Secretary
says he viewed information on her
that blocks her.

[thesheriff443]

She is a stone cold killer
I believe she killed her own babies
She can come back in a box

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't know what to make of her which is unusual as I usually get a feel for the person, but I think she is emotionally flat

Being emotionally flat is usually caused by trauma. Situation is what it always has been; we allowed a child to be groomed online, taken in by a cult, brainwashed, abused and impregnated and now we're like "lol not our fault". She should be brought back here and fully, properly assessed by professionals (not folk on Twitter with 3 C's at GCSE who are now suddenly self-declared body language experts). She MAY be dangerous, we don't know because she hasn't been assessed by professionals. Either way she's our responsibility.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She is a stone cold killer
I believe she killed her own babies
She can come back in a box

Honestly I doubt that, when you leave newborn babies in prison camps with no proper medical attention and an inexperienced teenage mother, I'd be more surprised if they DIDN'T die.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly I doubt that, when you leave newborn babies in prison camps with no proper medical attention and an inexperienced teenage mother, I'd be more surprised if they DIDN'T die.

I don’t share your opinion
Babies are being and have been born in remote parts of the world since the beginning of time with no medical facilities

She has the look of a cold blooded killer

[Zizu]

Sorry .. from what I seen and heard from her over the years ... I just don’t like her and I don’t believe a word she says


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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I don’t share your opinion
Babies are being and have been born in remote parts of the world since the beginning of time with no medical facilities

Yeah but they're born into communities with generational knowledge of how to care for an infant in those circumstances, she grew up in the UK and had no support from professionals or family so likely absolutely no idea how to care for a baby. Infant deaths would be much higher in the UK if there weren't midwives/health visitors/older family members to give advice and support.

Also ... a lot of children born in remote/poverty-stricken areas, or pretty much anywhere before the mid 20th century, DID die very young.

She has the look of a cold blooded killer

That really means nothing; the first things you hear when someone turns out to be a serial killer is the neighbours saying "but they were always so nice and friendly!". True sociopaths are often charming.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah but they're born into communities with generational knowledge of how to care for an infant in those circumstances, she grew up in the UK and had no support from professionals or family so likely absolutely no idea how to care for a baby. Infant deaths would be much higher in the UK if there weren't midwives/health visitors/older family members to give advice and support.



Also ... a lot of children born in remote/poverty-stricken areas, or pretty much anywhere before the mid 20th century, DID die very young.







That really means nothing; the first things you hear when someone turns out to be a serial killer is the neighbours saying "but they were always so nice and friendly!". True sociopaths are often charming.

To me she looks dead behind the eyes, like someone who's had to shut off any emotions which would probably fit with her situation.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah but they're born into communities with generational knowledge of how to care for an infant in those circumstances, she grew up in the UK and had no support from professionals or family so likely absolutely no idea how to care for a baby. Infant deaths would be much higher in the UK if there weren't midwives/health visitors/older family members to give advice and support.

Also ... a lot of children born in remote/poverty-stricken areas, or pretty much anywhere before the mid 20th century, DID die very young.



That really means nothing; the first things you hear when someone turns out to be a serial killer is the neighbours saying "but they were always so nice and friendly!". True sociopaths are often charming.

Like I said I don’t with your opinion
She is a terrorist plain and simple
With no remorse

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

To me she looks dead behind the eyes, like someone who's had to shut off any emotions which would probably fit with her situation.

So what now she is an innocent victim
Have you forgot she wouldn’t condemn those that did the Manchester bombing

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

To me she looks dead behind the eyes, like someone who's had to shut off any emotions which would probably fit with her situation.

She is well
aware of the Anger in Manchester
against her.


She said in the interview, a few years back
when she basically said it was tit for tat,
she had no news feed.



Now, today she was saying all the right things
on Live GMBHD itv.

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

Posting again

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

So what now she is an innocent victim
Have you forgot she wouldn’t condemn those that did the Manchester bombing

There’s a pretty big grey area between “innocent victim” and “terrorist” - anyway, the point is that the people who could actually figure this out (i.e. not us sat at home) haven’t even assessed her or engaged with it at all so we have no idea. It’s not about stating facts about her, it’s just about saying “it’s our responsibility to actually get to the facts”. I still say at the very least she could offer invaluable insight into how organisations like ISIS groom young people online, which is all useful in stopping it from happening.

As for not condemning the bombing, she was in a prison camp surrounded by Islamic extremists. You’d keep your mouth shut in that situation too. Again not saying we can definitely know her reasons - just that it’s very plausible.

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

To me she looks dead behind the eyes, like someone who's had to shut off any emotions which would probably fit with her situation.

To be fair she's always had those hollow and lifeless farm-cattle eyes.

[Toy Soldier]

"Sajid Javid says if we knew what he knew, we 'would have made exactly the same decision'."

Regardless of the situation, this tactic is bull****. Either full transparency or secrets. Not a half-way house where people can say "Well IF you know what I know THEN you would understand but I can't tell you what I'm talking about, you'll just have to trust me."

[joeysteele]

My feeling currently after the segment of her on the TV this morning.

Is she states, she knows she would have charges to answer here.
She knows she would be not in society here too.

Whatever Javid saw, then it must warrant being seen as crimes.
So I see no point in not having those charges tried in a court here against her.
Unless there's concern that what he saw may not be strong enough to make stick in LAW.

However too, on the other side of the coin.
She WILL know and have some knowledge firsthand of how the terrorism network is.
Which could possibly be important in the fight against terrorism.

From the interview, it was hard to work out whether she had much remorse or none.

I'm not sure that should be a reason to not have her tried and to answer charges here.
Rather than just in time in a camp as she is now.

Away from society, she could be questioned on everything from the grooming of her to the present and all she'd seen and learned and participated in too.

The LAW doesn't require remorse to be charged and tried in a court.
That comes after being in a custodial sentence.

No genuine remorse shown, no way out.
Is how it should be.

If however there are things she could have to answer for re terrorism, where charges can be brought, then she should be entitled to have her day in court too to answer whatever charges.

Possibly, she ought never to be allowed into society again.
Who knows.

So I'd now lean, (only just), to allow her return under the strictest security to have any charges made and heard In a trial in court.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There’s a pretty big grey area between “innocent victim” and “terrorist” - anyway, the point is that the people who could actually figure this out (i.e. not us sat at home) haven’t even assessed her or engaged with it at all so we have no idea. It’s not about stating facts about her, it’s just about saying “it’s our responsibility to actually get to the facts”. I still say at the very least she could offer invaluable insight into how organisations like ISIS groom young people online, which is all useful in stopping it from happening.

As for not condemning the bombing, she was in a prison camp surrounded by Islamic extremists. You’d keep your mouth shut in that situation too. Again not saying we can definitely know her reasons - just that it’s very plausible.

No grey area
She knew right from wrong

And chose to fight for terrorists hence joining them

[arista]

She wants to go to a UK Court
and go to jail in the UK.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

So what now she is an innocent victim
Have you forgot she wouldn’t condemn those that did the Manchester bombing

I never said any such thing, I was commenting on what she looked like and why she might look like that.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No grey area
She knew right from wrong

That's not how grooming works. You could argue you don't believe she was actually groomed, I suppose, but not that grooming doesn't exist.

And chose to fight for terrorists hence joining them

She was a non-combatant from everything we know about her time with ISIS; there's been no suggestion or indication at all that she's been directly involved in any violence. She chose to join them knowing that they were terrorists, yes. Although of course, part of the grooming process would be convincing people that they are "soldiers" or "freedom fighters" rather than terrorists.

[Alf]

She has more support than a person who just 2 years ago was an upstanding member of the community but now is to become a second class citizen for refusing untested, experimental medical treatment

That's where we're at.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Yeah, that's fine, she is an attractive terrorist now, that make it ok

i know Bots, she looks 'hot' so lets all forgive her

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She is a stone cold killer
I believe she killed her own babies
She can come back in a box

im not even convinced she had babies sheriff, I feel it was all for sympathy. How many is she supposed to have lost ?