[joeysteele]

I don't really see anyone advocating forgiving her.
I couldn't care what she looks like for starters.

However IF there are serious terrorism charges which could have her charged with..
We, the citizens of the UK should know them.

They should be put to her in a court.
If guilty of them and found to be, then she should be out of society,maybe for good.

That's not forgiveness, it's justice and punishment.

Furthermore if she has information, re terrorism, which could add to already held information,for our authorities, government and security services.
Then held in prison here is more than likely the better place for to have her.

It's for only those 2 issues, I now think she should be made to answer charges here in this Country.
We're never going to learn any more where she is at present in that camp are we?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

She wants to go to a UK Court
and go to jail in the UK.

I bet she does...it will be one step back in the door and better conditions thyan she is probably in now.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

im not even cinvinced she had babies sheriff, I feel it was all for sympathy. How many is she supposed to have lost ?

3 absolute joke.

[arista]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I bet she does...it will be one step back in the door and better conditions than she is probably in now.

Yes TV in her prison room
she would like

[bitontheslide]

she isn't going to be tried in the uk because she is no longer a british citizen. Thats already been confirmed in court, so quite honestly, it's done and dusted, finished. Further pleading on tv programs isn't going to achieve anything

[Jordan.]

No question we MUST bring her home, no more baby deaths on our hands.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

she isn't going to be tried in the uk because she is no longer a british citizen. Thats already been confirmed in court, so quite honestly, it's done and dusted, finished. Further pleading on tv programs isn't going to achieve anything

Yes it was a First to have her Live
I am sure the BBC may try a Live link, as well.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

No question we MUST bring her home, no more baby deaths on our hands.

The Government says no.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not how grooming works. You could argue you don't believe she was actually groomed, I suppose, but not that grooming doesn't exist.



She was a non-combatant from everything we know about her time with ISIS; there's been no suggestion or indication at all that she's been directly involved in any violence. She chose to join them knowing that they were terrorists, yes. Although of course, part of the grooming process would be convincing people that they are "soldiers" or "freedom fighters" rather than terrorists.

Well apparently she was involved in sewing suicide vests onto fighters including making it so that they couldn't be removed by the fighter themselves without the vest detonating

[MTVN]

Also reports she was a member of their 'moral police' and carried a rifle to enforce that but she denies that of course

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well apparently she was involved in sewing suicide vests onto fighters including making it so that they couldn't be removed by the fighter themselves without the vest detonating

Yes ITV GMBHD Live asked her that
she said that is not true,

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes ITV GMBHD Live asked her that
she said that is not true,

Well...I guess she would say that wouldn't she

[Tom4784]

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So we continue to hypocritically force her to be another country's problem while the same gammons who advocate such **** would pop a blood vessel if another country forced their 'undesirables' onto us.

It's okay for us but not for anyone else. If there's one thing I hate about this country, it's the hypocritical arrogance.

As far as the rest of the World is concerned she is still more probably connected to the UK.

Bangladesh has said she is not of their State.

At this moment in time the argument still is in place of whose problem she is.
Her last registered place was the UK before she headed off to Syria.
Really, this is likely never to end until she is either tried, possibly here for any crimes we are saying she could be charged with.

Or until she does have another recognised State she can belong to and they either let her settle there or put her on trial for something too.
If we continue to dismiss having any connection to her now.

Sajid Javid was asked about her being Stateless.
He said she wasn't with the Bangladesh connection.
To which Madeley fired back, that Bangladesh disputes that and hasn't recognised that as the case.

So in effect she is seemingly Stateless.

[Zizu]

Why does she get so much media attention in the first place ??


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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well apparently she was involved in sewing suicide vests onto fighters including making it so that they couldn't be removed by the fighter themselves without the vest detonating

No Matt she was head of the sewing club making warm woolly jumpers for the fighters so when they were out murdering women and children they didn’t get cold

Heart of gold that girl

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why does she get so much media attention in the first place ??


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It’s more the other way around really. The reason her citizenship was stripped is BECAUSE she was a high-profile example. The story was big when they first left the country to go the the Middle East, so when she reappeared after the fall of ISIS it was given a tonne of press attention, and the government took unusual action essentially for PR reasons. If it hadn’t been a high-profile example in the press, she would have been brought back, jailed & questioned in the UK.

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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yup, She's just been made an example because it's good for the optics, basically. Completely hypocritical and unethical to leave someone stateless regardless of what they've done but doing so pleases the easily pleased.

The hilarious thing (OK not hilarious, it's not a humorous situation, but in terms of this debate, pretty funny) is that people don't seem to realise just how many extremely dangerous individuals living in this country UK security services have on various lists and being monitored constantly. The argument seems to be that she's "just too dangerous" to have even enter the country... even if she would be in jail . A girl who was brainwashed online as a teenager, is barely into her 20's now, and has most likely never actively engaged in an attack. This isn't a defense of her it's just pointing out that she is, quite obviously, comparatively nowhere NEAR as much of a "risk" as hundreds of other individuals already living free in Britain. Thus, it becomes very clear that the reasons for all of this are not because it's "too dangerous" at all, and simply because it's so high profile. The way people talk about it (including the government) you'd think she was some sort of mastermind cell leader.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The hilarious thing (OK not hilarious, it's not a humorous situation, but in terms of this debate, pretty funny) is that people don't seem to realise just how many extremely dangerous individuals living in this country UK security services have on various lists and being monitored constantly. The argument seems to be that she's "just too dangerous" to have even enter the country... even if she would be in jail . A girl who was brainwashed online as a teenager, is barely into her 20's now, and has most likely never actively engaged in an attack. This isn't a defense of her it's just pointing out that she is, quite obviously, comparatively nowhere NEAR as much of a "risk" as hundreds of other individuals already living free in Britain. Thus, it becomes very clear that the reasons for all of this are not because it's "too dangerous" at all, and simply because it's so high profile. The way people talk about it (including the government) you'd think she was some sort of mastermind cell leader.

Yes ts we already have sub human scum living amongst so let’s let’s another one come and do the same, great argument you have there.

People like you that stand up for these murders are half the problem the world is like it is

And before you say anything like you are not standing up for them you are because you think it’s acceptable for these scum bags to be back in this country serve a ridiculously short sentence and be back on the streets claiming more benefits than decent hard working people

Only one way to rid the world of vermin is to kill them .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The hilarious thing (OK not hilarious, it's not a humorous situation, but in terms of this debate, pretty funny) is that people don't seem to realise just how many extremely dangerous individuals living in this country UK security services have on various lists and being monitored constantly. The argument seems to be that she's "just too dangerous" to have even enter the country... even if she would be in jail . A girl who was brainwashed online as a teenager, is barely into her 20's now, and has most likely never actively engaged in an attack. This isn't a defense of her it's just pointing out that she is, quite obviously, comparatively nowhere NEAR as much of a "risk" as hundreds of other individuals already living free in Britain. Thus, it becomes very clear that the reasons for all of this are not because it's "too dangerous" at all, and simply because it's so high profile. The way people talk about it (including the government) you'd think she was some sort of mastermind cell leader.

What makes you think people dont seem to realise we are still at risk from hundreds of people still living in this country?

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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What makes you think people dont seem to realise we are still at risk from hundreds of people still living in this country?

The massive over-statement of how supposedly dangerous she is (almost certainly far less dangerous than people who are already known to be living in the UK).

[Tom4784]

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