[thesheriff443]

So much points to the parents being involved but it wouldn’t surprise me if they are not involved in Maddies disappearance

Some times fact is stranger than fiction

[thesheriff443]

If they did it and owned up they would not be serving a prison sentence now that’s for sure

I read the mother of baby p who tortured her little boy to death is due out any day

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jet

If they are guilty, why would they push and push to keep the investigation open and alive for all these years? Surely they would want it closed so no evidence of their guilt would be discovered?

Myra Hindley also claimed she wanted to help find all the victims , still doesn't change the fact she was guilty.

[LeatherTrumpet]

If only the skilled professional detectives at Scotland yard had looked at some
youtube videos and fanfiction websites instead of the actual evidence and waste
time interviewing the mccans and suspects

what were they thinking

[jet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Myra Hindley also claimed she wanted to help find all the victims , still doesn't change the fact she was guilty.

Thats not the same at all. She offered to help AFTER she was found guilty of the murders.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jet

Thats not the same at all. She offered to help AFTER she was found guilty of the murders.

She also tried to pin it all on Ian Brady ,when both were evil sickos.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by jet

If they are guilty, why would they push and push to keep the investigation open and alive for all these years? Surely they would want it closed so no evidence of their guilt would be discovered?

This has been the one thing that has always puzzled me.

The only thing I can come up with is they have made an awful lot of money out of keeping her name in the spotlight. Chuff had some pretty compelling arguments about their reasons.

Like Joey, I was always unsure but chuff always managed to dispell any wavers I had.

[rusticgal]

Although their behaviour both before and after Madeleines disappearance baffles me…I don’t think they were guilty. They were guilty of neglect and their daughter lost her life as a consequence of their neglect. Some of what you hear is suspect…I wouldn’t trust the Police force out there as far as I could throw them…they were useless and they would have done anything to protect the reputation and tourism to their popular resort….it transpires their were many paedophiles in the area at the time…the McCanns and their friends created a routine and a massive opportunity to feed them..

[AnnieK]

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Although their behaviour both before and after Madeleines disappearance baffles me…I don’t think they were guilty. They were guilty of neglect and their daughter lost her life as a consequence of their neglect. Some of what you hear is suspect…I wouldn’t trust the Police force out there as far as I could throw them…they were useless and they would have done anything to protect the reputation and tourism to their popular resort….it transpires their were many paedophiles in the area at the time…the McCanns and their friends created a routine and a massive opportunity to feed them..

To be fair, yeah, the actual specifics of what happened to her are less important in terms of what I think happened. Either it was what I personally believe - they left them alone and she died in an accident… or it was what’s claimed - they left her alone and she was either taken by an intruder. The latter is actually worse. The covering-up is incidental really, they were negligent with their children’s safety either way, and while I have sympathy for them in many ways, I think there should have been consequences and that the only reason there were none is because they’re upper-middle class. If they had been a working class family on a beach holiday and the same had happened, at the very least, social services would have been all over the other two kids like flies on their return to the UK.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

I agree and this is partly why I would much RATHER believe she died quickly in a tragic accident in the room (either due to them sedating her, or a fall hitting her head, or a combination of the two) than her being taken.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

If they are guilty, why would they push and push to keep the investigation open and alive for all these years? Surely they would want it closed so no evidence of their guilt would be discovered?

Exactly


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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If only the skilled professional detectives at Scotland yard had looked at some
youtube videos and fanfiction websites instead of the actual evidence and waste
time interviewing the mccans and suspects

what were they thinking

Exactly !

I bloody well hate all these media driven conspiracy stories .. this one , the Princess Di one and the moon landings that supposedly never happened are the most annoying ones imho


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This has been the one thing that has always puzzled me.

The only thing I can come up with is they have made an awful lot of money out of keeping her name in the spotlight. Chuff had some pretty compelling arguments about their reasons.

Like Joey, I was always unsure but chuff always managed to dispell any wavers I had.

There are many convincing people around .. . doesn’t make them right though


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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

Logical fallacy, lack of evidence of guilt is not evidence of innocence.

No one has been prosecuted. By your logic; no one is guilty. She just disappeared into thin air.

[bitontheslide]

so many awful things have happened to children, including by parents, that i don't think anything can be ruled out, but without evidence, there will never be a definitive conclusion. The parents werent honest during the investigation, they werent forthcoming with vital information when pressed. To me, that doesn't fit with them being blameless so i don't know why they werent investigated further. The only reason I can come up with was that they knew and used people in positions of real power to get a free pass, and that is even more concerning when we are talking about the welfare of children

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Exactly !

I bloody well hate all these media driven conspiracy stories .. this one , the Princess Di one and the moon landings that supposedly never happened are the most annoying ones imho


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It is in this case worth considering that there is no evidence of an abduction. None. In fact, the abduction theory is simply the conspiracy theory about this that gained the most public traction. It IS NOT an official account of events and there IS ZERO evidence that it happened. It is in fact a media driven theory (originally driven by The Sun, mostly).

OFFICIALLY, the authorities have no idea whatsoever what happened to her, other than that she is a missing person, presumed dead.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

This is the problem as to never now knowing.
There's been so many it seems red herrings in leads on this.

As I said earlier, Chuff had endless information, not her own view, of avoidance of questions and even refusal to answer questions put on what had been unearthed in the investigation.
It pulled me from what I didn't want to think into realising it was hard to dispute.

It astounds me that a professional couple, wouldn't use child minding services.
Would leave 3 very young children alone in a strange Country residence.
Just to go for a ' night out '.

For that alone, things smell very unsavoury.
As you say neglect.
There seems, to have been a lot of procrastination on this case plus diverting from the parents too.

It's very sad we may never now know what happened here.
However, just my opinion, I now know what I think myself.

As I said Chuff fully convinced me.
It's not nice to think it and I'd love to have my thinking changed again.
However, from all the actions of the parents on this all through since, I don't see my view I hold on this altering now.

[Toy Soldier]

The Portuguese authorities believe the McCanns are involved, by the way, there was then a concentrated media campaign to discredit them as “not proper police like British police” (nonsense, and a little racist).

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country. I believe they were guilty of child endangerment and neglect. My opinion, and the opinion I would hope of most people.....leaving babies alone is disgusting. I am sure you will tell me, as you have in the past, that millions of.parents do it. I will respectfully disagree and call them terrible parents too

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country.

International diplomatic reasons. More or less.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country. I believe they were guilty of child endangerment and neglect. My opinion, and the opinion I would hope of most people.....leaving babies alone is disgusting. I am sure you will tell me, as you have in the past, that millions of.parents do it. I will respectfully disagree and call them terrible parents too

so as i thought

not illegal

yep;

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so as i thought

not illegal

yep;

Well, actually it was illegal

There's no legal age a child can be left home alone, but it's against the law to leave a child alone if it puts them at risk1. Every child matures differently, so it would be almost impossible to have a "one size fits all" law.

Considering what happened, they did put her at risk. You continue defending child neglect, its fine. Yep

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, yeah, the actual specifics of what happened to her are less important in terms of what I think happened. Either it was what I personally believe - they left them alone and she died in an accident… or it was what’s claimed - they left her alone and she was either taken by an intruder. The latter is actually worse. The covering-up is incidental really, they were negligent with their children’s safety either way, and while I have sympathy for them in many ways, I think there should have been consequences and that the only reason there were none is because they’re upper-middle class. If they had been a working class family on a beach holiday and the same had happened, at the very least, social services would have been all over the other two kids like flies on their return to the UK.

I've been saying the same thing for years , if it was another Karen Mathews with her partner living on council estate on benefits, then social services would have been involved. And they possibly would have had their other 2 children taken by protection services.

Jonbenet Ramsay ,was another suspicious case of a small child dying . And again everything pointed towards the parents or atleast one of the parents.

Difference being she was found in the family basement,but the parents reported her missing. But the whole thing felt like a cover up.