[arista]

[Intruder, 21, is mauled to Death by two pit bulls
while trying to break into Georgia home:
Homeowner finds his body on the
porch the next morning
according to local authorities
The homeowner, who was not named,
discovered the body of 21-year-old
Alex Binyam Abraha on his
front porch on September 24
The homeowner will not face charges
related to Abraha's death, according to Fox News
Abraha, who grew up in Worthington,
Minnesota, had several active warrants
in Fulton County at the time of his death
A GoFundMe was created for Abraha
following his death, and has raised
nearly $1,000 out of a goal of $25,000
Both dogs were seized as a part
of the investigation by the county's
Department of Corrections]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rgia-home.html

[LaLaLand]

Oh well.

Hope they get the dogs back ASAP. Not their fault someone decided to break in.

[Oliver_W]

I hope the doggos don't get put down

[thesheriff443]

I hoped reading the article it would give more details and answer my doubts to this story

But it doesn’t and his family have un answered questions to.

One is why the owner didn’t hear anything why these dogs were killing someone in his house or on his porch

[Toy Soldier]

While it’s harder to have sympathy for a burglar as they know they’re taking risks with their lives breaking into a home (especially in the US) … putting that aside I’m afraid to say, dogs that will kill an intruder will kill your postman. Or a kid coming to retrieve a lost ball. Not safe to be around the public.

[bitontheslide]

i don't have any sympathy for the burglar, but as TS says, a dog that has a taste for blood will do it again

[Kazanne]

Dogs just guarding their home, hope they are not put down due to some scumbag deciding to help themselves.

[Livia]

Hope the dogs are okay. Like Kaz said, they did their job.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Dogs just guarding their home, hope they are not put down due to some scumbag deciding to help themselves.

I absolutely agree.
The dog's instinct would be to protect.
The home and their owners.

They probably wouldn't attack if someone was invited in.
It's simple enough, don't go into or break into another's home unless invited in.

The dogs would believe they were doing their duty.

[Denver]

The blame has to be on the on the owners because you teach a dog to raise the alarm and stop the intruder not tk kill

[Livia]

I reckon if someone breaks into your house to steal from you or worse, then they're fair game. No one's walking out of my house if they break in.

[GoldHeart]

If anything this should be a lesson to burglars and thiefs to not go breaking into OTHER PEOPLE'S homes, you never know whether they'll be guard dogs or whether the home owner has a weapon.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I absolutely agree.
The dog's instinct would be to protect.
The home and their owners.

They probably wouldn't attack if someone was invited in.
It's simple enough, don't go into or break into another's home unless invited in.

The dogs would believe they were doing their duty.

Originally Posted by Livia

Hope the dogs are okay. Like Kaz said, they did their job.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Dogs just guarding their home, hope they are not put down due to some scumbag deciding to help themselves.

I’d be more inclined to agree if they had attacked him in the house - but the story quite clearly states that the body was found on the porch. Guard dogs are not, or certainly should not, be trained to maul or kill and there’s a risk (if not an inevitability) of them harming someone in error.

At the very least, they need to be muzzled whilst outside of the house (including the garden) and kept securely in a room at night/when unsupervised.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’d be more inclined to agree if they had attacked him in the house - but the story quite clearly states that the body was found on the porch. Guard dogs are not, or certainly should not, be trained to maul or kill and there’s a risk (if not an inevitability) of them harming someone in error.

At the very least, they need to be muzzled whilst outside of the house (including the garden) and kept securely in a room at night/when unsupervised.

It also states though TS trying to break in to the home.
Inside or outside, the dogs are on his and their property.
Their territory.

Not much point in dogs having muzzles on in their own gardens or backyards..

Plus it doesn't say so we don't know what was attempted to be done to the dogs
If he threatened the dogs with whatever he was breaking in with.

Should the dogs just roll over and let him break in.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’d be more inclined to agree if they had attacked him in the house - but the story quite clearly states that the body was found on the porch. Guard dogs are not, or certainly should not, be trained to maul or kill and there’s a risk (if not an inevitability) of them harming someone in error.

At the very least, they need to be muzzled whilst outside of the house (including the garden) and kept securely in a room at night/when unsupervised.

We don’t usually agree, I’m an animal lover but this story raises concerns

A young woman was killed by a dog as she lay in bed in this country only a few months ago.

You can teach a dog to be spiteful but in turn some dogs can just flip out.

[Liam-]

Guard dogs are wonderful things, I grew up with Rottweilers and they were natural deterrents without having to be aggressive, they were all soft as brushes and cuddly to a sometimes annoying degree, but when they needed to be they were loud as possible to claim their territory, guard dogs should be trained to attack to protect, not to kill.

Dogs that aren’t trained to be guard dogs, but attack to kill naturally is another thing completely, once a dog gets a taste for blood, I think it would be a very unattainable ideal that they would never do it again in other circumstances.

You can have no sympathy for the burglar, but to think that it’s normal for a couple of dogs to maul someone to death for being in their territory is completely illogical, all it takes is for one kid to wander away from their parents and try and go play with the cute doggies and the ‘they were protecting their home’ argument wouldn’t count for ****

[Oliver_W]

The moment someone breaks into a house, it should be understood their life is forfeit. It's not the dogs' fault some scumbag forced them to attack him.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’d be more inclined to agree if they had attacked him in the house - but the story quite clearly states that the body was found on the porch. Guard dogs are not, or certainly should not, be trained to maul or kill and there’s a risk (if not an inevitability) of them harming someone in error.

At the very least, they need to be muzzled whilst outside of the house (including the garden) and kept securely in a room at night/when unsupervised.

Intruder is the operative word. They were on the owners' property and shouldn't have been there. It's a learning curve for criminals. As for muzzling and locking them in a room... if they are securely on your property I have no problem. I have two babies in the house. If someone breaks in, I'm going to let the dog deal with them.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Guard dogs are wonderful things, I grew up with Rottweilers and they were natural deterrents without having to be aggressive, they were all soft as brushes and cuddly to a sometimes annoying degree, but when they needed to be they were loud as possible to claim their territory, guard dogs should be trained to attack to protect, not to kill.

Dogs that aren’t trained to be guard dogs, but attack to kill naturally is another thing completely, once a dog gets a taste for blood, I think it would be a very unattainable ideal that they would never do it again in other circumstances.

You can have no sympathy for the burglar, but to think that it’s normal for a couple of dogs to maul someone to death for being in their territory is completely illogical, all it takes is for one kid to wander away from their parents and try and go play with the cute doggies and the ‘they were protecting their home’ argument wouldn’t count for ****

Yeah there has been cases where dogs turn crazy and attack for no reason, which is why I'm always wary of certain breeds of dogs ,as you don't always know how they're going to react.

Some guard dogs can be too protective and aggressive aswell,and as mentioned delivery men ,postmen, meter readers etc are at high risk .

And a switch flips and they can randomly attack their owners for no reason ,then next thing you know they're docile... again it's strange.

However in this particular instance if you're going to break into someone's house uninvited then you're looking for trouble.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah there has been cases where dogs turn crazy and attack for no reason, which is why I'm always wary of certain breeds of dogs ,as you don't always know how they're going to react.

Some guard dogs can be too protective and aggressive aswell,and as mentioned delivery men ,postmen, meter readers etc are at high risk .

And a switch flips and they can randomly attack their owners for no reason ,then next thing you know they're docile... again it's strange.

However in this particular instance if you're going to break into someone's house uninvited then you're looking for trouble.

To me, if you’re okay with your animal killing someone they see as a threat to their territory, you open yourself up to trouble because to a dog, anybody unknown to them is a potential threat to their territory

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

To me, if you’re okay with your animal killing someone they see as a threat to their territory, you open yourself up to trouble because to a dog, anybody unknown to them is a potential threat to their territory

This, basically.

It's ok... until the dog severely injures or kills an innocent person.

[Liam-]

Also the thought process of ‘oh, well I’m okay with someone being viciously mauled to death if they try to break into my house’ is a little bit... icky, to me.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Intruder is the operative word. They were on the owners' property and shouldn't have been there. It's a learning curve for criminals. As for muzzling and locking them in a room... if they are securely on your property I have no problem. I have two babies in the house. If someone breaks in, I'm going to let the dog deal with them.

If a group of kids come into your garden to retreive a ball or... heck... even to vandalise your pot plants on a dare and your dog mauls them - your dog will be killed and you will be at risk of a prison sentence. I assume you already know that though.

Also just athought but if your own kids go messing around in a neighbours garden and get mauled or killed by their dog I would expect that you'd be round there to put it in the ground yourself with your bare hands ... I can't imagine for a second that you'd say "Oh well, poor pup, my kids shouldn't have been trespassing so fair do's".

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Also the thought process of ‘oh, well I’m okay with someone being viciously mauled to death if they try to break into my house’ is a little bit... icky, to me.

I know what you're saying and I agree it is a slippery slope,but what if the burglar had the intent to hurt the homeowner ? .

There's been some horrible crimes where a family or person is quietly at home, and next thing they're being threatened and beaten. Some have been killed just for being in their own homes.

So we'll never know if this intruder was just robbing the place , which is bad enough or whether they were going to cause physical harm.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Also the thought process of ‘oh, well I’m okay with someone being viciously mauled to death if they try to break into my house’ is a little bit... icky, to me.

I agree, a dog should be trained to bark/raise the alarm and even to act in a threatening manner (baring teeth) but should also be trained to NEVER deliberately harm a human being (or another dog or animal, for that matter). The only dogs that should be trained to attack are dogs acting in professional roles (police, security) and even then they should be under professional supervision.

The idea that a dog who will maul an intruder won't maul someone else in error is just naive. No matter how smart someone believes their dog to be, they can easily misattribute someone's intentions. I'm even wary of dogs being trained to attack when they think their owner is being assaulted, because they don't necessarily know the difference between a real assault and play fighting, or the difference between an adult family member truly at risk from an adult and a child family member scrapping with another child (if your dog intervenes everyone has a MAJOR problem). I've even heard of incidents where someone's dog has come into a room while they're having sex and attacked their partner, believing their owner to be at risk.

tl;dr a dog is not a weapon and should never be trained or thought of as such, and should ideally be actively trained to be gentle at all times. If someone feels unsafe in their property... get better locks. Get alarms. Heck, I'd rather people have a shotgun under the bed than a dog that will attack an intruder. At least the shotgun isn't going to hop into the living room and shoot someone by itself.