[Livia]

I feel sorry for him. Imagine backing your daughter until she makes it, so she can turn her back on you very publicly. I'm not sure how a father who was obviously very close to his daughter at one time, would cope with that. See the big Karma bus trundling up behind Meghan........

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Legally, yes she does, until they're old enough to make that decision for themselves.




You have no idea what her reasons are so you can't confidently make that statement. For example, if someone was raised in an abusive household, I'd find it very understandable (even expected) if that person then wanted their kids to have nothing to do with the grandparents, or at least very limited contact. I personally would extend that to any massive differences in personal philosophies (e.g. racism, homophobia) IF they can't keep that to themselves when they're around the kids. Being around an angry/abusive/disrespectful grandparent is far worse for a kid than not seeing them at all.

Why are we imagining Meghan grew up in an abusive household?

[Kazanne]

No one knows fully whats gone on or what had led to their fall out ,no good blaming one because you like the other, truth is none of us KNOW what sort of people they are or what has happened , I never got on with my father but I would never have stopped him seeing his grandchildren, that seems rather cold to me ,and I would have been there for him had he been ill or needed me.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why are we imagining Meghan grew up in an abusive household?

Theres a lot of imagination running rife in this thread Livia.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one knows fully whats gone on or what had led to their fall out ,no good blaming one because you like the other, truth is none of us KNOW what sort of people they are or what has happened , I never got on with my father but I would never have stopped him seeing his grandchildren, that seems rather cold to me ,and I would have been there for him had he been ill or needed me.

Like the ones calling him names are the ones in the know...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like the ones calling him names are the ones in the know...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why are we imagining Meghan grew up in an abusive household?

We're not - we're pointing out that no one knows the specifics of anyone's family situation if they're not a part of that family, and therefore we shouldn't judge other parents for their choices when it comes to who is and isn't regularly around their children.

Like I said it's not even just about abuse. There are plenty of parents who, for example, don't speak to their (adult) children respectfully or treat them as equals. If someone is raising their child to be respectful and treat people as equals, then it's perfectly legitimate to not want them to be in regular contact with someone who doesn't hold those values. And frankly, to not want to be around those people yourself.

If that person is desperate to keep in contact with their family then they'll moderate their behaviour and how they speak to people when they're around them. If they can't (i.e. won't) do that then tough **** ... and it's also legitimate to say "too little too late".

[parmnion]

If she wasnt abused, then she is acting like a bitch.

We have had no reason to believe she was abused, but have plenty reason to know she was loved and adored by her dad, seeing that she has said so in many occasion.

So she is acting like a bitch, and I said that with confidence

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If she wasnt abused, then she is acting like a bitch.

We have had no reason to believe she was abused, but have plenty reason to know she was loved and adored by her dad, seeing that she has said so in many occasion.

So she is acting like a bitch, and I said that with confidence

But "no reason to believe" means nothing - you have no idea about her personal family history, it's none of your business, and not your place to judge. It's really that simple. Maybe there was abuse, maybe there wasn't, maybe she has no reason, maybe she has plenty of reasons ... the point is, it's a parent's job to decide what's best for their children while they are children, so again, it's just no one else's business ... you don't know why she's made the choice, and you have no good reason to need to know why she's made that choice, or to really think anything of it at all.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But "no reason to believe" means nothing - you have no idea about her personal family history, it's none of your business, and not your place to judge. It's really that simple. Maybe there was abuse, maybe there wasn't, maybe she has no reason, maybe she has plenty of reasons ... the point is, it's a parent's job to decide what's best for their children while they are children, so again, it's just no one else's business ... you don't know why she's made the choice, and you have no good reason to need to know why she's made that choice, or to really think anything of it at all.

I can judge her actions...which I have done.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I can judge her actions...which I have done.

You can do whatever you want but I (personally) would say that it's generally not a good idea to judge a person's actions when you don't know their reasons... and when it comes to people's internal family relationships... that is 100% of the time. Never wise to judge as an outsider . "Lest ye be judged", and all that.

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Legally, yes she does, until they're old enough to make that decision for themselves.




You have no idea what her reasons are so you can't confidently make that statement. For example, if someone was raised in an abusive household, I'd find it very understandable (even expected) if that person then wanted their kids to have nothing to do with the grandparents, or at least very limited contact. I personally would extend that to any massive differences in personal philosophies (e.g. racism, homophobia) IF they can't keep that to themselves when they're around the kids. Being around an angry/abusive/disrespectful grandparent is far worse for a kid than not seeing them at all.

Summed up perfectly.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can do whatever you want but I (personally) would say that it's generally not a good idea to judge a person's actions when you don't know their reasons... and when it comes to people's internal family relationships... that is 100% of the time. Never wise to judge as an outsider . "Lest ye be judged", and all that.

Her family life has been well documented by herself, her sisters and her father...none of it included abuse...

So I will judge her on that

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can do whatever you want but I (personally) would say that it's generally not a good idea to judge a person's actions when you don't know their reasons... and when it comes to people's internal family relationships... that is 100% of the time. Never wise to judge as an outsider . "Lest ye be judged", and all that.

Are you new here?

[Cherie]

We love a good judge, don't take that away from us

[GoldHeart]

Why is it wrong to ' judge' Thomas Markle ? but it's ok to berate Meghan as being a 'terrible daughter' ? .

Either we judge them both or neither surely ? .

[LeatherTrumpet]

The poor guy looks genuinely pained

How could she be so cruel?

[bitontheslide]

In what family would the father go on TV saying my daughter won't speak to me .... it's someone who obviously has mental health issues, and the media shouldnt be enabling it

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In what family would the father go on TV saying my daughter won't speak to me .... it's someone who obviously has mental health issues, and the media shouldnt be enabling it

The decision to put him on TV was GMBs

What makes you think he has mental health problems?

Its not a prerequisite for appearing on that show

[GoldHeart]

What makes you think he's of sound mind with coherent thoughts ? .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What makes you think he's of sound mind with coherent thoughts ? .

why would i think that of anyone?

[rusticgal]

I still cannot understand the very people that call out Meghans father as utter scum for airing his dirty laundry on NTV yet support Meghan for doing just the same thing ….

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Why is it wrong to ' judge' Thomas Markle ? but it's ok to berate Meghan as being a 'terrible daughter' ? .

Either we judge them both or neither surely ? .

Judge them both then.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In what family would the father go on TV saying my daughter won't speak to me .... it's someone who obviously has mental health issues, and the media shouldnt be enabling it

Yep..and then of course he will get paid for it, his little pension fund.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What makes you think he's of sound mind with coherent thoughts ? .

I wouldnt be surprised if hes went doolaly!

The poor bloke was a hermit before she dragged him through the mud. Tossing him to the side, making him feel unworthy, whilst also making him look unworthy.

Letting her husband bleat on about mental health, whilst he calls her father to tell him to eff off! Sending her father further down the road,of what may actually be drunken depression.