[Vicky.]

Ah I get the urge to watch these again sometmes, I tend to give up...I agree with TS that Angel was fantastic, I didn't actually have any gripes about that at all until the whole...pregnant Cordelia thing which I found really stupid. Also was a bit grossed out by her shagging a kid. I mean, I know he wasn't meant to be a kid (or was he?) but he looked like..13 for ****s sake. Was still a pretty decent show though ignoing these things..did not annoy me nearly as much as some problems with Buffy.

[Vicky.]

Also if hush was the one with those weird creepy clown type men..then keep it. That one game me mini nightmares for WEEKS. They seriously creep me out.

[Scarlett.]

I recently rewatched Angel, and rewatched Buffy a couple of years back, such a good franchise

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Wizard.

Mess at me giving up after one episode. Should I carry on?

I think I gave up cause I have seen every episode like 2 or 3 times already

Season 1 is a tough rewatch because it's quite dated at this point... it has that obvious "90's telly" vibe. It's a fun watch for nostalgia but hard to get into. S3 onwards I feel can be unironically rewatched. 2 is good but still very low budget production wise.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also was a bit grossed out by her shagging a kid. I mean, I know he wasn't meant to be a kid (or was he?) but he looked like..13 for ****s sake. Was still a pretty decent show though ignoing these things..did not annoy me nearly as much as some problems with Buffy.

He's 18 on returning from Quor'Toth so 19-ish towards the end of S4 . Cordelia as a character was only supposed to be around 23 BUT the actress would have been in her early 30's which makes for a really obvious age difference. She was 27 playing a 17 year old in S1 of Buffy .

And to be fair, it wasn't really Cordelia smooshing little Connor, she was possessed by ... something? I want to say by Jasmine but I don't think it is actually supposed to be the same thing? Possessed by the random evil thing that gave birth to Jasmine, maybe. Just using poor Cordy as a flesh sleeve either way.

[Nicky91]

began with its rewatch now, i saw it being on disney+ and i realized that it was a very very long time i haven't seen it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He's 18 on returning from Quor'Toth so 19-ish towards the end of S4 . Cordelia as a character was only supposed to be around 23 BUT the actress would have been in her early 30's which makes for a really obvious age difference. She was 27 playing a 17 year old in S1 of Buffy .

And to be fair, it wasn't really Cordelia smooshing little Connor, she was possessed by ... something? I want to say by Jasmine but I don't think it is actually supposed to be the same thing? Possessed by the random evil thing that gave birth to Jasmine, maybe. Just using poor Cordy as a flesh sleeve either way.

Not TS sticking up for one of the vilest queasiest couplings ever to exist on TV that is not the slightly even worse idea of Debra Morgan wanting to shag her brother

[Mystic Mock]

I'm in the second half of Season 3 so far.

Does anyone know when Xander stops being a prick?

I like Giles and Faith though.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I already rewatched all of Buffy and Angel this year ...

If anyone's interested in the official order of how good each season is

Buffy: 3 > 1 > 2 > 7 > 6 > 4 > 5

I really struggle with S4 and 5 tbh and I can sort of see why it was almost cancelled at the end of S5? It struggled to find direction after the high school arc ending with S3. 4 is better than 5 because of some great standalone episodes + Spike living in Giles' bath... 5 is sort of daft and the Dawn canon-reset excuse is lame. By S6 / 7 you kind of forget that she wasn't always there but in S5 it's grating as f.

Angel: 2 > 1 > 3 > 5 > 4

I personally find Angel pretty much flawless except S4 which was a mis-step... Connor is TOO irritating and whiney, which is a shame because the character had some potential in his first couple of episodes + by the end of S5, and also Jasmine was a lame villain, and no one noticing that Cordelia was evil while she swanned around in black lace saying "muahahahaha" was ridiculous. Plus Wesley and Lilah make me feel a bit queasy.

That said, the Angelus episodes were good, especially Angelus vs Faith.






The three highest rated episodes of Buffy (9.8, 9.7 and 9.7 on IMDB) are "Once More With Feeling", "Hush" and "The Body"...

Once More With Feeling is all singing and dancing,
Hush has no spoken dialogue and is acclaimed for its orchestral soundtrack
...and The Body has no music at all in the episode.

I personally rate The Body and Hush very highly (which is odd, as seasons 4 and 5 are my least favourite seasons overall) but I can't stand OMWF . I just don't like musicals ... I can't do it... I was forced to go to "Evita" in the cinema when I was 11 and it was the most excruciating 2 hours of my entire life.

My ranking of the Angel seasons.

2 > 3 > 4 > 1 > 5

My issue with Season 1 & 5 of Angel is that most of those Seasons don't really have a plot until the last few episodes of those Seasons.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh I can't really watch the show much longer.

I only really like Giles out of the main four, and I know obvious spoilers about Faith & Wesley so there's not much point in me watching the Show further.

I'm glad that there are other people that still enjoy the Show even though it's been over for nearly two decades (which it deserves credit for that) but it is just not for me.

You can ignore the rant that's coming up if you want to.

My issues with three of the main four characters.

Xander - He is an unbelievable douchebag imo, and the Show rarely ever acknowledges it to the level that they should be acknowledging it imo. To me he has to be one of the most unlikable characters that I have ever seen on TV.

Willow - She's just there. I wish I could say more but that's really it where I got to. Her alternate counterpart was far more interesting.

Buffy - In less OTT dramatic episodes I'm fine with Buffy, but whenever it's anything to do with Buffy & Angel (minus the Angelus stuff) or mundane School stuff I'm like no thanks.

For me I liked the Fantasy, Horror & Action stuff to an extent, but **** me with the Show's Drama and even some of the Comedy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

My ranking of the Angel seasons.

2 > 3 > 4 > 1 > 5

My issue with Season 1 & 5 of Angel is that most of those Seasons don't really have a plot until the last few episodes of those Seasons.

Hmmmm I would personally put S4 last, but yes, seasons 2 and 3 are definitely the Angel "golden age". Regarding your Buffy criticisms, I think a lot of the fun of a rewatch is definitely nostalgia, so I can understand why a first watch would be hard in 2021. Angel objectively stands the test of time better. Though I wish it hadn't been cancelled prematurely.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm in the second half of Season 3 so far.

Does anyone know when Xander stops being a prick?

I like Giles and Faith though.

In all honesty he gets worse and in hindsight is borderline abusive to his girlfriend/fiancee in later seasons .

Giles and Faith are good calls for MVP though. Anthony Stewart Head being easily (easily) the best actor on the show and Faith just being, let's face it, the superior Slayer.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In all honesty he gets worse and in hindsight is borderline abusive to his girlfriend/fiancee in later seasons .

Giles and Faith are good calls for MVP though. Anthony Stewart Head being easily (easily) the best actor on the show and Faith just being, let's face it, the superior Slayer.

Well I'm glad to not be watching those seasons then.

And I agree with your points on Giles & Faith, I wish that more of the cast were like them tbh.

[Nicky91]

first 4 episodes of season 1, still very enjoyable for me same as first time i watched it