[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A teenage girl is targeted and groomed to join a terrorist organisation, with grooming methods very much similar to that of victims of sex trafficking and sexual assault. She goes to the Middle East, is made to marry an IS fighter, has several children that all die and this is all before she's 20 years old. When she wants to come home, the UK government make a pantomine of it all to appeal to rancid gammon and hold her out to dry when we've taken back actual violent terrorists in the past with no such furore. She gets made an example of to sate the vindictiveness of this country and we all become hypocrites in the process as we strip a UK citizen of her citizenship and leave her without a nation, forcing her to become Afghanistan's problem when everyone that supports such actions would be throwing a fit if another country forced us to take in their 'undesirables' in the way we've forced Afghanistan to keep hold of Shamima. It's also against basic human rights to make someone nationless but that's what we've done because **** the rules, we're Britain.

I never used to feel much sympathy for her, but the more I hear about it, the more I realise how ****ed up it is and how hypocritical people are about it. Like, look in this thread alone. Look at Rustic's older posts about saying how Shamima Begum wasn't 'sorry enough' at the right time and that it's too late now. Rustic made out that there was some kind of time limit on things like this but she'd move the goalposts if the situation was different.

Shamima Begum should be allowed to come back, face the courts on any crimes she has committed, and be completely deprogrammed. Her experiences could prove to be very important in anti-terrorism and radicalisation efforts, but nah, gotta appeal to the bloodlust of the armchair gammon and punish someone who is very much a victim of teenage naivete and circumstances while we accept actual dangerous terrorists back with nary a complaint.

Interesting.
Thank you .


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[Toy Soldier]

Basically the government won’t consider her case because of her level of notoriety with the public, rather than because of her objective level of risk.

You have to be wary of any government that operates on those principles; putting what’s most palatable to their voter base before objective facts and fairness.

Of course there’s also the sad irony that the only reason she’s a “famous case” amongst thousands of young people who left to join ISIS, is that her case was so alarming at the time - a 15 year old girl being groomed into leaving the country. That’s why it was in the press so much… because we were well aware that she had been groomed and that was worrying. The reason it’s one of the most talked about examples is one of the clear reasons she SHOULD be the responsibility of the UK; the clear failure to protect a child from grooming. And yet it’s that high profile that is stopping her case from being considered properly and not through the lens of PR.

[bitontheslide]

she didn't help her cause by how she came across in previous interviews, that's for sure, but, we won't let her back in the country, yet we free a known child killer. It all seems wrong to me. We care about murderers and rapists and favour their route to rehabilitation above the safety of the general public but there is no route back for her

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

she didn't help her cause by how she came across in previous interviews, that's for sure, but, we won't let her back in the country, yet we free a known child killer. It all seems wrong to me. We care about murderers and rapists and favour their route to rehabilitation above the safety of the general public but there is no route back for her

Realistically there's probably no route back for her because she's in a position where she's at risk in most communities. At risk from the general public in mixed communities, and (frankly) now also at risk from fringe Islamic elements in insular Muslim communities.

She doesn't come across massively well in most interviews to be honest, but not in terms of "still an extremist/dangerous", but rather that she clearly feels quite bitter about all of it as she thinks of herself as a victim (which she is in many ways) but she doesn't show any real introspection into why people think she should also show remorse. But then... she's a 22 year old who has been living in a prison camp since she was a teenager, and had no education since she was a child. In little flashes she comes across as a petulant teenager but that shouldn't really be surprising. Again that's of course a big problem with public perceptions of how things should go - "Maybe if she was more likeable..." - which obviously has nothing at all to do with her being a risk. Unlikeable people aren't necessarily dangerous - and vice versa, some extremely charming, affable people can be very dangerous.

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

Was on GMBHD itv early

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

Was on GMBHD itv early

No sympathy for her at all sorry.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by arista

Was on GMBHD itv early

She was likely groomed, but doesn't mean she has been 'ungroomed' and can still present a significant risk. I think that she could at least be trialled here with very strict security protocol. Once radicalised is there turning back, questionable and questionable threat.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

She was likely groomed, but doesn't mean she has been 'ungroomed' and can still present a significant risk. I think that she could at least be trialled here with very strict security protocol. Once radicalised is there turning back, questionable and questionable threat.

There's been no indication at all that she's been "ungroomed" or deradicalised. She doesn't regret her actions and want to return because she realises the ideology she was pursuing is bad, but because ISIS failed and life over there ain't what it was cracked up to be.

[arista]

Started on
GMBHD itv.

A change in her case.

[Exclusive: A spy working for Canadian intelligence
smuggled Shamima Begum and her
two friends from Bethnal Green into Syria
and Britain later conspired with Canada
to cover up its role, according to explosive news
claims ⁦@thetimes]
⁩

https://twitter.com/TomEPPayne/statu...84475057016832

A hearing is to take place in November


Both UK and Canadian
Governments will not talk
about Security Intelligence Matters.

[arista]

From a New Book
the writer is speaking on GMBHD itv.

[arista]

The Book writer is Live now


GMBHD itv.


Richard Kerbaj
"The Secret History of the Five Eyes"

He says there is a Cover-up.

Canada did not want,
her story going public.


Britain can not Comment on Security.

[arista]

[MTVN]

Are they suggesting he did it to maintain his cover or had he gone rogue?

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Are they suggesting he did it to maintain his cover or had he gone rogue?

No Double Agent

[Gusto Brunt]

I just wish the UK was as hard on foriegn murderers who are ALLOWED to stay and live in the UK.

I'll never forget a case about 12 years ago when a young girl walking home from school was a victim of a hit and run. In fact the driver not only fled the scene but he threw the girl's body while she was still alive into a ditch where she was later discovered but soon after died.

He was a foriegner, illegally living in the UK, but because he had a partner and a young baby, he was ALLOWED to stay and live in the UK due to HIS human rights.

No mention of the dead girl. Nor justice for her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's been no indication at all that she's been "ungroomed" or deradicalised. She doesn't regret her actions and want to return because she realises the ideology she was pursuing is bad, but because ISIS failed and life over there ain't what it was cracked up to be.

Wouldn't it be valuable though to take her back to the UK and use her to try and figure out how and why she was successfully groomed by terrorists and figure out a way to stop this happening in the future? She could have a lot of information that might be helpful in understanding the enemy better too.

[arista]

Shamima Begum: Spy for Canada smuggled schoolgirl to Syria


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62726954

[bitontheslide]

it's not going to make any difference

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Wouldn't it be valuable though to take her back to the UK and use her to try and figure out how and why she was successfully groomed by terrorists and figure out a way to stop this happening in the future? She could have a lot of information that might be helpful in understanding the enemy better too.

I doubt she knows anything useful which couldn't be found elsewhere.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I doubt she knows anything useful which couldn't be found elsewhere.

Maybe/maybe not, doesn't change the fact that she is a UK citizen who was groomed as a minor by a terrorist group while she was a UK resident. You should be responsible for her

[bitontheslide]

the problem with Begum is that she still supports the isis cause to this day. We will likely be moving to an even further right wing government next week, so she basically stands zero chance of being let back in the country

[arista]

[She ran away from her London home
as a 15-year-old with two other girls in 2015,
ending up in Syria and marrying
one of the terror group's fighters.
Ms Begum was found pregnant in a
Syrian detention in 2019
and her citizenship was revoked for
national security reasons.

She's set to base her appeal
on claims that she was a victim
of child trafficking because she was
allegedly smuggled into Syria by
a Canadian spy.

The claims were made in a book
that said a double agent got them
into the country and that his role
was covered up by police and the
UK government.
Her appeal will be heard by the
Special Immigration Appeals Commission
and is expected to last five days.

Ms Begum has denied involvement
in any terror activities when she was living
in Islamic State's former heartland.]


https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-...snt-sf-twitter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63699503

[thesheriff443]

Has any one watched the faking it special?
Shows what a truly twisted creature she is

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Has any one watched the faking it special?
Shows what a truly twisted creature she is

If its Netflix
I would not have watched it.

I watched the ITV1HD Documentary, this year.


Lets hope by Friday this week
the Court gives a full answer.