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BBC text:
[Sunday Mirror alleges on its front page that
Conservative MP Richard Fuller has received
more than £700,000 from work outside
his parliamentary role,
with a large chunk allegedly coming from
a firm which the paper reports invests
in spy technology in China.
The Mirror carries a quote from Labour
which has said the so-called sleaze scandal
"gets worse by the day".]

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BBC Text :
[The Times headlines on a backlash
from some Tory MPs over plans to ban
them from taking second jobs.]

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[joeysteele]

He did indeed crash on the Paterson affair.

What sticks in my mind, which this PM will never answer.
Is since these things are designed on a cross party basis.
With this PM now saying he wants it done on a cross party basis.

Why then, 2 weeks ago did he dismiss other parties and independently push through parliament his own policy, to erase the findings of the already cross party findings on Paterson.
Forcing his MPs to back it too.

Why didn't he before that, do cross party consultation rather than in terrible judgement and deliberately to save one of his own exclude ALL other parties.

Honestly, had there been little or no backlash.
What he set out to do 2 weeks ago he'd have done.
Never thinking of backtracking.

Now the old chestnut of hindsight may be a defence of him by some of his harder line supporters.
I've come in my life so far, to see hindsight actually as often just more like shocking and incompetent planning and judgement in the first place.

Then his victory yesterday comes with less than half even of the Commons voting strength.
Even around 60 less of his OWN MPs voting strength too.

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it's all down to effective opposition or lack of. The strongest opposition at the moment is from the general public and the media, not the labour party

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"What sticks in my mind, which this PM will never answer."


But that is what Johnson PM is like
he avoids being Sorry.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's all down to effective opposition or lack of. The strongest opposition at the moment is from the general public and the media, not the labour party

Well we have a PM and Ministers who don't respect parliamentary procedure or even the Speaker.
So they're hardly going to ever listen to the opposition.

You keep battering the Labour party.
It has its vision and ideas.
You may not like their vision and prefer this hard-line government breaking laws and rules across the board.

The leader of the opposition and other opposition leaders, question this PM in parliament but get dismissed with tripe and no real answers.
He even ignores correction from the Speaker.
So what do opppsitons do in that scenario.

When faced with a self styled buffoon as Leader of the Nation.
However in my view an ignorant and a dangerous buffoon who only shows disrespect for authority above him and rules and laws.

Plus has a media which still backs him in the main, a media which won't give a fairer and balanced presentation of opposition to the government, from ALL parties, not just Labour.

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it still doesn't get past the fact that labour as the official opposition are completely useless. We can wrap that up however you like, but that's their job and they are completely ineffective. It's pretty ridiculous to blame the PM for the lack of opposition

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it still doesn't get past the fact that labour as the official opposition are completely useless. We can wrap that up however you like, but that's their job and they are completely ineffective. It's pretty ridiculous to blame the PM for the lack of opposition

He doesn't accept opposition.
You can deflect from his ignorance all you wish.
It's no surprise to me as a Con supporter.

Opposition you say.
Everytime Labour pulls up the government, even on this sleaze where he's had to backtrack.
You and others criticise Labour.

Labour could have policies akin to perfection but Cons, possibly yourself included, would never admit it.
As the Cons are your party.

I as a Labour supporter would likely be one of a Labour led government's hardest critics if they did wrong in power.

All hard-line and closet hardline Cons do is turn things back on Labour, to deflect the failings, terrible failings of this PM and their government.
Still backing them all the way, no matter what.

It's why I really hope we across the Labour movement, can persuade even more Labour MPs and Starmer to adopt PR.
Yes, Labour may never then be a majority government again.
However to those hard-line Cons, the Cons would never likely be a majority government again either.

Certainly not with an 80 majority for only 43% of the votes.
.I believe PR can be achieved, it's estimated around 80% of Labour members want it.
Labour voters I know from canvassing seem to want it.

The whole parliamentary process from elections to what happens in parliament, needs reform in my view, top to bottom.
If I had my way I'd change near everything about governmental process.

PR is the way to do so for starters.

All the opposition parties are ineffective because they are near all, except for the extreme DUP, on the same sheet as to Opposition to this detestable government.

Which is a government which has no respect, little integrity and uses its 80 seat majority to ride all over and dismiss all opposition.

You can shout at someone all you like, however is as if with this PM they've stuffed their ears and don't care, you will remain ineffective.

Labour needs a new idea, a reforming idea and for me PR would not ONLY be attractive to most voters, ( not the 30% I think are hardline Con Voters), however it would get the attention of and attract the up to 30% who never vote in elections, believing there's no point as their votes are wasted.

Under PR most of those non voters could then greatly help transform parliament and government.
To create better and more concensus government too.

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Former cabinet minister Sir Geoffrey Cox earned £54,400 for legal work that he carried out in August, the latest details on MPs' earnings show.

They also reveal that Prime Minister Boris Johnson received free use of a suite at Heathrow Airport worth £1,800.

MPs must reveal any additional income - along with gifts, donations and shareholdings over 15% - in the register of members' interests.

It is updated every two weeks and MPs may be sanctioned if they don't comply.

The latest register shows Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross made £6,728 for football referee work from November 2020 to January this year.

He had apologised for failing to fully record his MSP salary and earnings as a football referee.

Former PM Theresa May declared flights, meals and accommodation for three people worth £7,611 for a visit to San Marino.

Meanwhile, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has declared book royalties of £135.78.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59336581



i would say that if an mp's earnings in parliament are not their main income then being an MP is not their primary job, its a part time top up to enable other income. That is wrong

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The by-election caused by the resignation
of Tory MP Owen Paterson will take place on
Thursday 16 December.


Was debated
on BBC1HD 10PM Politics England
Midlands


A Labour MP thinks their man can win.

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Dr Shastri-Hurst is the Conservative candidate
in the North Shropshire

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...r-county-seat/

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Labour by-election candidate
Ben Wood is a local lad.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...ion-candidate/

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Shropshire Council announced the 14 names.
They are:

Neil Shastri Hurst, The Conservative Party

Ben Wood, Labour

Helen Margaret Lillian Morgan, Liberal Democrats

Kirsty Rebecca Walmsley, Reform UK

Martin Edward Daubney, The Reclaim Party



Suzie Akers Smith, Independent
Andrea Christabel Allen, UKIP
Russell Fraser Dean, The Party Party
Duncan Alistair Kerr, Green Party[/B]
Boris Been Bunged, Rejoin EU
James Alexander Elliot, Heritage Party
Howling Lord Hope, The Official Monster Raving Looney Party
Earl Elvis Phillipe Jesse, Freedom Alliance The Real Alternative
Yolande Ann Kenward, Independent




https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...n-by-election/

[joeysteele]

Who knows.
Myself I think a likely fairly good Con win.

How I'd love to see otherwise however.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Who knows.
Myself I think a likely fairly good Con win.

How I'd love to see otherwise however.

Yes The Labour Fella
is a bit young
Lacking Experience?

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NewsnightHD BBC2
had their reporter there
the red faced Labour Lad was aged 2 in 1997
He really lacks experience.

But there is anger at the Westminster Trouble
we find out this Thursday
who wins?

[joeysteele]

I don't think age is a barrier to competence of being a good constituency MP.

Of course I'd love to see a Labour win here but I can't see it.

Okay there'll be a sleaze factor and the recent chaos of this PMs own making by his deceit.
That's not the fault of the new Con candidate however.

This has been a Con seat since it was formed.
Labour and Lib Dems have alternated as to being in 2nd place over the years.

The closest Labour came to winning it was in 1997 only.

The Labour candidate is a good one and I hope he does well.
Age doesn't matter however, how on earth is there going to be more young people coming forward for election if people are going to discount them because they're only in their 20s.
That surely shouldn't be even an issue.

Especially looking at the mess much older politicians in high office are making of things.

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"I don't think age is a barrier to competence of being a good constituency MP"


On this Labour Lad
he is not experienced enough
they should have picked,
an older fella.

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Labour's lad Ben Wood.
Yesterday,from his own twitter feed.


Older helpers
have to help in.