[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

OR it was released on purpose, I am happy to go with that one

You have to delve quite deep into conspiracy territory there because that (in my opinion) would require a few things to be true:

1) They have (and already had before release) a 100% effective protection/vaccination for it.

2) They have some never-before-seen ability to control or predict potential mutations that would nullify said protections.

3) This advanced virus engineering technology has been developed in complete secret.


I find all three of those to be extremely unlikely, and I also find it extremely unlikely that "the powers that be" would have taken the drastic risk of releasing a virus they have no control over (i.e. one that might affect them personally).

Governments ATTEMPTING to engineer such a thing and having it escape the lab accidentally? Then I can get closer to believing it.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

[Health chief warns
'don't socialise before Christmas
unless you need to' and
Sadiq Khan urges Londoners
to 'wear masks in pubs and restaurants'
to tackle Omicron
as Boris prepares to hold
press conference Today.

Dr Jenny Harries warned Omicron could have
a 'significant impact on our hospitals' if
jabs are much weaker
She hinted WFH is already being considered
within No10 and could be the
next measure to be reintroduced
New rules on compulsory face masks
and self-isolation came into effect in
England from 4am this morning
Boris Johnson will hold a
press conference at 4pm this
afternoon to give an update
on the Covid situation]

that's all fine and good, but unless the variant does some serious damage or kills people, the infection rate or it's vaccine busting capabilities are irrelevant. It needs the 3 prongs for it to be something to worry about. I'm pretty sure that if anyone had become seriously ill with omicron, it would have been all over the media, and yet it's not. This is a serious question. Has anyone heard a news report saying that anyone with omicron across the whole world has become seriously ill or died, because I haven't

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You have to delve quite deep into conspiracy territory there because that (in my opinion) would require a few things to be true:

1) They have (and already had before release) a 100% effective protection/vaccination for it.

2) They have some never-before-seen ability to control or predict potential mutations that would nullify said protections.

3) This advanced virus engineering technology has been developed in complete secret.


I find all three of those to be extremely unlikely, and I also find it extremely unlikely that "the powers that be" would have taken the drastic risk of releasing a virus they have no control over (i.e. one that might affect them personally).

Governments ATTEMPTING to engineer such a thing and having it escape the lab accidentally? Then I can get closer to believing it.

I still find it more likely than the whole thing being fictional tbh

[Alf]

I've quit my job.

I was gonna quit at Christmas anyway and look for something more close to home, but the mandates have pushed that forward.

I'm now doing nothing until January. I'll go out in the next few days and get all my presents and food I need and then I'm staying in, locking the door and film binging, keeping away from this mad, crazy World.

If I do need to pop out for things such as milk and bread, I'll do it in the corner shop behind my house, a 30 second walk.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

I've quit my job.

I was gonna quit at Christmas anyway and look for something more close to home, but the mandates have pushed that forward.

I'm now doing nothing until January. I'll go out in the next few days and get all my presents and food I need and then I'm staying in, locking the door and film binging, keeping away from this mad, crazy World.

If I do need to pop out for things such as milk and bread, I'll do it in the corner shop behind my house, a 30 second walk.

Fair dues, will you not miss your colleagues, or have you not been there very long?

[Cherie]

I will be socialising and no one is going to stop me, and I think alot of people will feel that same, they can't bring the public along this time like they did before, unless they lockdown, people will be partying

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I will be socialising and no one is going to stop me, and I think alot of people will feel that same, they can't bring the public along this time like they did before, unless they lockdown, people will be partying

All our squad are getting together in a couple of weeks for an early Christmas. I can't see that being interrupted at this stage

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Fair dues, will you not miss your colleagues, or have you not been there very long?

Only been there 2 months. It was too long travelling for me, I prefer somewhere closer. It was taking up nearly 3 hours of my day just travelling there and back and over 5 days that's getting on for nearly 15 hours a week which is almost 2 extra shifts.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Only been there 2 months. It was too long travelling for me, I prefer somewhere closer. It was taking up nearly 3 hours of my day just travelling there and back and over 5 days that's getting on for nearly 15 hours a week which is almost 2 extra shifts.

Oh that is too long tbf

[arista]

The Prime Minister
was outside Lordship Lane
Vaccination centre.

Was on SkyNewsHD and BBCnewsHD
not live - due to security measures

Saying everyone to get the Booster.


Prime Minister said what Jenny
has said is good advice.
And he is not changing any more rules.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's all fine and good, but unless the variant does some serious damage or kills people, the infection rate or it's vaccine busting capabilities are irrelevant. It needs the 3 prongs for it to be something to worry about. I'm pretty sure that if anyone had become seriously ill with omicron, it would have been all over the media, and yet it's not. This is a serious question. Has anyone heard a news report saying that anyone with omicron across the whole world has become seriously ill or died, because I haven't

That number won't be zero and the current sad reality is that out emergency services and healthcare systems cannot afford for that number to be anything but zero. It is crumbling. The true extent of how badly it's falling apart isn't really in the mainstream press. It's not just "struggling to cope", it's imploding, it's not going to be able to sustain an adequate level of service for even the most basic of medical care and any additional strain - ANY additional strain - is currently catastrophic.

So it doesn't matter if this is the mildest strain yet... if it's as contagious as they think it might be and 0.001% of those infected need hospital treatment... ... the camel's back is going to snap clean in two.

Sorry guys but that's the current situation .

[bitontheslide]

im going to start building my bunker in the garden

[arista]

[arista]

COVID-19: Omicron variant 'highly infectious'

Take Note Alf.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...a-ceo-12482978

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

Only been there 2 months. It was too long travelling for me, I prefer somewhere closer. It was taking up nearly 3 hours of my day just travelling there and back and over 5 days that's getting on for nearly 15 hours a week which is almost 2 extra shifts.

Yikes, that's ridiculous!

Feel free to be as vague as you like, or tell me to mind my own, but what's your occupation?

[arista]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yikes, that's ridiculous!

Feel free to be as vague as you like, or tell me to mind my own, but what's your occupation?

Supermnarket warehouse picker.

I picked the items out of the warehouse that get sent out to the supermarket. Not one of the big supermarkets, one of the smaller ones, like Iceland but not Iceland

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

COVID-19: Omicron variant 'highly infectious'

Take Note Alf.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...a-ceo-12482978

I'm ready and waiting, bring it on. The last 2 varients didn't come anywhere near me. They're scared of me.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

COVID-19: Omicron variant 'highly infectious'

Take Note Alf.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...a-ceo-12482978

"Both stressed that more data is needed to fully understand whether B.1.1.529 is more contagious or resistant to vaccines."

There's no new info on this link, just to save everyone the time. This poster's misleading message made it seem like something more had been confirmed.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: recap of last week

number of positive covid tests hasn't increased not or barely the last week, it more levelled off and climbed with same amount as the week before

155.000 positive covid tests last week, compared to 154.000 positive tests the week before


RIVM speaks of stable situation, most likely the result from the measures of half November

RIVM also speaks of the R number which already was decreasing in first half of November, at November 8th that number was 1,21 which means 100 people can infect 121 others, on November 15th this number was 1,05 meaning 100 people can infect 105 others

[bitontheslide]

Stock markets around the world have fallen after the boss of Moderna cast doubts on the effectiveness of vaccines against the new Omicron Covid variant.

Stephane Bancel told the Financial Times he thought there would be a "material drop" in vaccine efficacy.

The Covid variant was first detected in South Africa, and the symptoms have been mild so far.

But travel restrictions have been imposed as a precaution by places including the UK, the EU and the US.

Mr Bancel predicted that existing vaccines would be less effective in staving off Omicron, and that it would take months for drugs companies to update vaccines.

"There is no world, I think, where [the effectiveness] is the same level," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59426353
----------------------------

it has mild symptoms, so having a vaccine for it is not important. This is just surreal to me, they are all basically talking bollox

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm ready and waiting, bring it on. The last 2 varients didn't come anywhere near me. They're scared of me.

Typical Anti Vax talk.

It can spread fast
take care , Alf.

[arista]

We are Live

Downing St. Johnson Prime Minister
with the Healh Secretary.
And Amanda Pritchard NHS Chief


I hope The Press
ask Better Questions

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bit complex if you get into this stuff Alf. I don't actually disagree that the pandemic (and climate change, and a few other things) are being used to consolidate wealth in fewer and fewer places. For example - look at the energy company situation in the UK now. All of the small companies have bust, all are pretty much now under the banner of just a few large monopolies. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to observe that certain people/powers are USING these things to their own ends. I just think it's a stretch to suggest that they've invented/fabricated them to do so. They've been opportunistic.

That said... ... it's also not untrue that the human race on its current course is simply not sustainable. World's ****ed. Too many people, resources now exploited to capacity, no wriggle room left.

Here's a conspiracy theory for everyone.

What if the Governments around the world have unleashed Covid on the world to lower the world's population?

Obviously I'm just spitballing here, but it's an interesting theory I think.

[arista]

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