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bitontheslide · 30-11-2021, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Why so? If it was fake why would it say refugees welcome? That doesn't even sound bad, because I don't think many people would have an issue with genuine refugees being welcome. If you was gonna do a fake what would be the point of it? Wouldn't you do something more meaningful if you were trying to smear?

I have no reason to believe it's fake, why do you believe it's obvious, what's your tells?

because there was one exactly the same for Abbott .... i mean you can see someone has plonked that card with writing on ..... If you truly get fooled by this stuff then its no surprise you swallow every conspiracy going

Alf · 30-11-2021, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

because there was one exactly the same for Abbott .... i mean you can see someone has plonked that card with writing on ..... If you truly get fooled by this stuff then its no surprise you swallow every conspiracy going

So you can't really explain why it was obvious, it was just so you could have a pop at me?

I'm fairly sure I remember lots of people in the spotlight holding up signs like this at one time or another, usually after terrorist attacks from a few years back. So as I say, I see no reason why it's fake.

Alf · 30-11-2021, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

because there was one exactly the same for Abbott .... i mean you can see someone has plonked that card with writing on ..... If you truly get fooled by this stuff then its no surprise you swallow every conspiracy going

Also, just googled it and there's an article in The Spectator from August 2016 showing the same picture. I wouldn't believe The Spectator would put a fake picture in their publication.

Alf · 30-11-2021, 07:07 AM

So it looks like it turns out that you either swallow things too easy or just blatantly make stuff up.

Quick, see what you can do to turn this back around on me again.

bitontheslide · 30-11-2021, 07:17 AM

Alf, you keep think as you do, but at least try to apply some critical thinking to what you read

Alf · 30-11-2021, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Alf, you keep think as you do, but at least try to apply some critical thinking to what you read

Don't make up porkie pies to try and get the upper hand over me. If you want to put me down then do it with facts and honesty. I'll respect that more.

joeysteele · 30-11-2021, 07:57 AM

I'm so glad to see Yvette made Home secretary.
She is very effective in select committee questioning on issues.

Absolutely great new to see Wes Streeting as Health secretary now too.
I've great respect for Wes.
Congratulations to him from me.

Not sure on David Lammy's post now however.

A fair bit of just moving around than anything else, however the changes made seem on paper good matching up as to most, in my view.

bitontheslide · 30-11-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Don't make up porkie pies to try and get the upper hand over me. If you want to put me down then do it with facts and honesty. I'll respect that more.

i'm not making up porky pies alf, the picture is fake

arista · 30-11-2021, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm so glad to see Yvette made Home secretary.
She is very effective in select committee questioning on issues.

Absolutely great new to see Wes Streeting as Health secretary now too.
I've great respect for Wes.
Congratulations to him from me.

Not sure on David Lammy's post now however.

A fair bit of just moving around than anything else, however the changes made seem on paper good matching up as to most, in my view.

Yes Lammy
Shadow Foreign Secretary

And he still has an LBC show?

arista · 30-11-2021, 04:21 PM

Oliver_W · 30-11-2021, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Does anyone even care what Own Goal has to say?

(Apart from those who foam at the mouth at every little thing he does)

arista · 30-11-2021, 04:46 PM

Keir is having his booster injection
on Monday.

He agrees with the PM on Masks.

He told Beth Rigby.

arista · 03-12-2021, 02:57 AM

BBC Text:
[The cut in funding from the Labour Party's
biggest union backer, Unite. Unite decided
to cut the funding because, according
to its general secretary,
"Labour needs to talk about workers
and defend communities".]

joeysteele · 03-12-2021, 09:05 AM

I love the Union connection to Labour.
However if they're cutting funding then let's cut their influence and voting at conference.
They'll get nothing better from the Cons or other parties.

Labour members will Just need to cough up more when necessary, if this Union takes this petty line.

Any sort of niggling re Labour and some Union leaders, actually could benefit Labour as the softer or swing voters of other parties think the Unions aren't dominating,or getting away with trying to.
If this woman was happy to see millions handed to a campaign and leader that COULDN'T win.

Yet now would pull the plug on a campaign and policy making not even known or needed yet, with a leader who just may have the ability and chance to end the majority rule of this PM and the Cons.
Then she's perhaps the wrong person to be leading anything in my view.

bitontheslide · 03-12-2021, 09:29 AM

everyone goes on about the dodgy deals the tories do with donors/employers/brown envelopes, quite rightly, but the union money dependent on influencing policy is just as bad, if not worse. It may all be out in the open, but its still a case of ... you can have this money if you do that

joeysteele · 03-12-2021, 09:36 AM

The Labour party was born from the Union movement.

I have no gripe with the Con donors as long as it's all made known and from who.

The Unions are a big part of the employment process.
Connected strongly to the Labour party.
It seems Cons think Labour shouldn't get any regular income.
While turning a blind eye to the massive donations to their own party.
Known or unknown.

Unless the day comes whereby political parties are state funded.
Which I can't see taxpayers being happy at all about.
Then they need income from other sources.

The political membership of parties could never cover election costs alone.
If the Unions should NOT donate and have consultation and influence on Labour policy.

Then neither too should ANY source be able to donate to the CON party either.
Good luck with getting the Cons to agree to that one.

arista · 05-12-2021, 10:06 AM

Trevor Phillips (SkyNewsHD)
asked Jim McMahon (Labours New Environment Minister)
a great Question
he asked, "are you going to do a deal with the SNP or Farage?,
to get into power"

Jim said "not really, we just want to get into power"

Great question
as without Scotland
Labour will stay out of power

Toy Soldier · 05-12-2021, 11:01 AM

I don’t think the tories are beatable in the UK without SNP coalition of some description. I think it’s genuinely just not possible at this point. And even if you’re a Tory, that’s simply not a good thing, ineffective opposition in parliament is bad for everyone.

arista · 05-12-2021, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I don’t think the tories are beatable in the UK without SNP coalition of some description. I think it’s genuinely just not possible at this point. And even if you’re a Tory, that’s simply not a good thing, ineffective opposition in parliament is bad for everyone.

But they have 6 Conservative MP's in Scotland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Conservatives

Labour ONLY has 1.