[arista]

CNN HD has shown the video

SkyNewsHD has now shown it.


Crazy Lopez Man hitting women with a Bike lock
beating one until she is bleeding
in a Store

https://news.sky.com/story/lapd-rele...spect-12504963


Police enter with a Rifle
shooting him down
but one bullet hits the deck and goes through into
a changing area
A mum is holding her 14 year old daughter
but that stray bullet went into her chest
she sadly died.



Real Tragic.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Terrible accident. All the blame lies with the perp.
The video is not gory and does not show anything.

Youtube video

[arista]

Thanks for posting the Longer Video
CNN HD showed them Shooting Lopez



Its real Tragic a stray bullet
hit that 14 year old girl.
Thin wall to that changing area

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

thanks for posting the longer video

your link does not work

[Jordan.]

If the competence of US police officers extended beyond knowing how to spray bullets this poor girl would still be alive.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If the competence of US police officers extended beyond knowing how to spray bullets this poor girl would still be alive.

Yep.

Spray and pray is for thugs just wanting to take anybody at all out, there should be no such thing as a stray bullet coming from the side of the ‘trainer professionals’ with guns

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

Terrible accident. All the blame lies with the perp.

You say that but a huge chunk of blame as always lies with US gun culture. It's highly unlikely this would have happened in the UK - for one, because police would not automatically use firearms to take down a perp who isn't also armed, and two because even if a UK armed response unit was called out, they are MUCH more highly trained and disciplined in their use of those weapons.

The "blame" for the entire incident is on the perpetrator yes, but the reasons it went this way are varied and systemic.

[arista]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

your link does not work

Now working.



https://news.sky.com/story/lapd-rele...spect-12504963

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

You say that but a huge chunk of blame as always lies with US gun culture. It's highly unlikely this would have happened in the UK - for one, because police would not automatically use firearms to take down a perp who isn't also armed, and two because even if a UK armed response unit was called out, they are MUCH more highly trained and disciplined in their use of those weapons.

The "blame" for the entire incident is on the perpetrator yes, but the reasons it went this way are varied and systemic.

That Metal Bike Lock
he smashed it onto woman.
He was crazy.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If the competence of US police officers extended beyond knowing how to spray bullets this poor girl would still be alive.

She would be Alive if Lopez
never entered that store
attacking women with his bike lock

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

That Metal Bike Lock
he smashed it onto woman.
He was crazy.

Obviously a horrendous situation but UK police encounter assaults like this every day (unfortunately) and deal with them swiftly, efficiently, and often without the need for even deploying tasers etc. let alone firearms.

The only situation that should require the use of firearms is when the perpetrator is also similarly armed (guns or explosives). The police in the US use them as a default, and it's inevitable that there will be collateral damage like this. Especially when you consider that the firearms training required for a basic uniform cop/Sheriff's deputy etc. is the bare minimum.

Armed response units in the UK are trained to a very high standard and are extremely skilled and disciplined in their use of firearms. That's the only way it should be. In fact in the vast majority of armed response call outs, in the end no shots are actually fired.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Obviously a horrendous situation but UK police encounter assaults like this every day (unfortunately) and deal with them swiftly, efficiently, and often without the need for even deploying tasers etc. let alone firearms.

The only situation that should require the use of firearms is when the perpetrator is also similarly armed (guns or explosives). The police in the US use them as a default, and it's inevitable that there will be collateral damage like this. Especially when you consider that the firearms training required for a basic uniform cop/Sheriff's deputy etc. is the bare minimum.

Armed response units in the UK are trained to a very high standard and are extremely skilled and disciplined in their use of firearms. That's the only way it should be. In fact in the vast majority of armed response call outs, in the end no shots are actually fired.

The USA police have to assume he is armed, the UK Police know the perp is not. no time to dick about

big difference

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by All The Jingle Ladies

The USA police have to assume he is armed, the UK Police know the perp is not. no time to dick about

big difference

No they don't need to assume a perp in this situation is armed - if he's not actively holding a gun then the assumption should remain that he MAY BE armed and to be ready to take action if he seems to be reaching for a concealed firearm. The idea that someone could take out a concealed weapon from a pocket, accurately aim it at police, and fire before being stopped by a highly trained person who already has their sights on them is just nonsense. Is the perp Billy the Kid? Some sort of quick-draw wizard?

The idea that police officers should look at a situation where no firearm is visible and pre-emptively shoot as a first course of action "just in case" is utter lunacy.

I don't buy for one second that law enforcement in this case believed the peep was armed (beyond the bike chain he was already using as a weapon). They just aren't adequately trained to know how to tackle someone armed with a weapon like that without resorting to using their guns. Because that's how their training works in terms of apprehending people. Threaten with a gun, and if that doesn't work, use a gun.

[arista]

"Obviously a horrendous situation"

TS
if the USA Police
never got there, he would have killed a woman.
It was right to shoot Lopez,
it is just tragic one bullet hit the store ground,
and then went into that 14 year olds chest.
Her Mother was holding her in that changing area.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

"obviously a horrendous situation"

ts
if the usa police
never got there, he would have killed a woman.
It was right to shoot lopez,
it is just tragic one bullet hit the store ground,
and then went into that 14 year olds chest.
Her mother was holding her in that changing area.

yes terrible accident caused by the crazy lunatic

[Mystic Mock]

Personally I'll never understand why American Police are so trigger happy.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Personally I'll never understand why American Police are so trigger happy.

Because American perps are the most weaponised Crims in the world

And the cops don't get paid enough to die every shift

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Personally I'll never understand why American Police are so trigger happy.

Before the Rifle Cop
Shot Crazy Lopez
that lady was on the floor covered in blood
after she was smashed with the Solid Bike Lock



I would have shot him, fast.