[Tom4784]

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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I imagine the multiverse will only be a temporary thing or they'll ground it in a way in which there are still rules and consequences, kinda like how time travel didn't allow for them to change the past in Endgame. I think when it comes to dead characters returning full time, I only see them doing that with Gamora and Loki. I think they know the narrative dangers of undoing death too many times. At best we'll probably get brief cameos and such, I think.

maybe they'll also use some archived footage either?, something what i also know some had been doing with stuff like time travel

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I imagine the multiverse will only be a temporary thing or they'll ground it in a way in which there are still rules and consequences, kinda like how time travel didn't allow for them to change the past in Endgame. I think when it comes to dead characters returning full time, I only see them doing that with Gamora and Loki. I think they know the narrative dangers of undoing death too many times. At best we'll probably get brief cameos and such, I think.

Interestingly, rewatching Endgame, when the Ancient One explains what will happen (the rules and consequences) if she gives Bruce Banner the time stone, the "model" she conjures looks pretty much exactly like a 3D rendered version of the "nexus event warning" screens in Loki... and assuming she may have had some knowledge of it all... it seems she thought the infinity stones played a role in maintaining the "sacred timeline" (despite being treated as inconsequential at the TVA). Makes me wonder if Thanos destroying the stones was actually the "trigger" that allowed the timeline to be broken.

Also makes me think Strange knows more about the "bigger picture" of what's going on than he's letting on in that Spider-man trailer. Seems like him and Wong have been recently discussing "Multiverse Magic Stuff" already when Peter comes knocking. Althernatively though... Strange being a "newbie" Sorceror Supreme might be why he isn't as aware of the dangers as The Ancient One was, and the reason he's not being as cautious as he should be.

[James]

[James]

New trailer.

Youtube video

[bitontheslide]

there is just too much going on in that trailer for me

[Nicky91]

Youtube video

tv spot

[Nicky91]

Youtube video

[Oliver_W]

Yeah it was really good!

It was literally Member-Berries The Movie, but what isn't these days : joker: it's the first time the nostalgia was aimed at my age and not 10+ years older so I didn't mind too much

[Niamh.]

Loved it, one of the best Marvels so far

[arista]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Loved it, one of the best Marvels so far

Are you sure?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Are you sure?

Yes'sir

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Apparently Multiverse is going to be a huge part of Phase 4 in general, but yeah there's a specific thread running from Loki -> No Way Home -> Dr Strange 2 -> Ant-man Quantumania -> Loki season 2.

I've heard rumours that Loki will be in Dr Strange 2 and possibly will show up in No Way Home, though I'd imagine small appearance if that's in any way true... post-credits scene is possible?

Hmm. I have been wanting to see this mainly as I am a sheep and everyone else has been saying how great it is in all honesty. Am I going to not understand it without watching all of this first? That kinda puts me off a bit really..but I might end up doing it as am so bored these days and need something new to watch.

[Toy Soldier]

Tbh for this one you'll get most out of it if you saw the old Spider-man movies with Tobey Maguire / Andrew Garfield. Other MCU stuff isn’t that important and you can get it from context.

It’s also fine without having seen the ye olde spider-man films, you just won’t get some of the references, the story is still explained “for n00bs” and makes sense on its own (unlike, say, Avengers Endgame)

[James]

I just watched this. (I would have gone to the cinema but Omicron put me off doing that.)

I didn't think it was a great film by any means, but I liked it for the interactions involving the three Spideys.

Like 'I'm Peter 3!'.

[bitontheslide]

i thought the action scenes were overdone, but it wasnt a bad movie

[Vanessa]

It was a lot of fun, I really enjoyed it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by James

I just watched this. (I would have gone to the cinema but Omicron put me off doing that.)

I didn't think it was a great film by any means, but I liked it for the interactions involving the three Spideys.

Like 'I'm Peter 3!'.

I honestly think it's a great nostalgia movie for anyone old enough to have seen both Toby-man and Andrew-man back when they were released, but it'll lack that for younger people who only saw those movies more recently, and must be a bit of a confusing mess for anyone who hasn't seen those movies at all.

That's kind of a fatal flaw built into the whole MCU these days though... to get the most out of the movies and shows, you have to be keeping up with the movies and shows. E.g. I hadn't seen Black Widow, stopped half way through Hawkeye when Yelena turned up because I didn't know who she was but correctly guessed she would have been introduced in Black Widow, so I watched that before continuing Hawkeye. That whole Hawkeye subplot is meaningless to anyone who hasn't seen that movie .

But yeah that's amplified 10x with No Way Home because not only do you have to have seen them, to get the emotional hit you have to have seen them back when they released.

[Toy Soldier]

On the plus side... My daughter, an MCU sceptic, only liked the Spider-man franchise but now wants to come and see Doc Strange 2 when it releases, so has been successfully partially indoctrinated.

[James]

I was watching Red Letter Media's review of Doctor Strange 2, and one of them said in it that No Way Home was like the longest Superbowl commercial ever made - which is exactly right.

eg. when Bill Murray reprises his role from Groundhog Day for an advert, but you are really just watching Bill Murray rather than the character. Matthew Broderick as Ferris was another example.

[bitontheslide]

i felt that spiderman had too much action that attempted to compensate for a bland storyline

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by James

I was watching Red Letter Media's review of Doctor Strange 2, and one of them said in it that No Way Home was like the longest Superbowl commercial ever made - which is exactly right.

eg. when Bill Murray reprises his role from Groundhog Day for an advert, but you are really just watching Bill Murray rather than the character. Matthew Broderick as Ferris was another example.

As much as I enjoy it for the nostalgia, I think there’s a good argument that as a stand-alone movie……… it would have been better without Toby and Andrew. Actually in hindsight, they could have established Multiverse and kept some of the best elements by just including Doc Oc and Norman Osborne/Green Goblin (with Holland still fixing Doc Oc’s inhibitor chip, and them teaming up against Green Goblin).

So I can see it both ways really. I like it for what it is, but as a standalone movie it obviously has large flaws.