[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Given that you are a Labour voter ... on that basis why didn’t all the hundreds of Labour MPs resign after they were caught out thieving in the expenses scandal ??

Didn’t they all just give the money back and incredibly kept their jobs ... oh and no apologies as I recall ..


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Oh good lord.

I can throw straight back at you ALL the MPs found to have been caught up in the expenses scandal.
There were loads of Conservative MPs in that too.

I wasn't a Labour supporter then.
I couldn't even vote!!!!!
I was only 17.

So you possibly think it seems, it's fine to forgive the Conservative party.
Who were as much embroiled in the expenses scandal as Labour and other Parties were.

However the Labour party should never be forgiven.

There are People who couldn't attend their loved ones funerals.
I lost 2 Aunts, My Mother couldn't go to her own Sister's funeral.

I am one of hundreds of thousands who UNLIKE you,are livid that this PM allowed a gathering on his home and work premises which was banned at the time.
When they couldn't even pay their last respects to their loved ones.

You may not care a jot for that, however that's your problem not mine.
Unbelievable!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh good lord.

I can throw straight back at you ALL the MPs found to have been caught up in the expenses scandal.
There were loads of Conservative MPs in that too.

I wasn't a Labour supporter then.
I couldn't even vote!!!!!
I was only 17.

So you possibly think it seems, it's fine to forgive the Conservative party.
Who were as much embroiled in the expenses scandal as Labour and other Parties were.

However the Labour party should never be forgiven.

There are People who couldn't attend their loved ones funerals.
I lost 2 Aunts, My Mother couldn't go to her own Sister's funeral.

I am one of hundreds of thousands who UNLIKE you,are livid that this PM allowed a gathering on his home and work premises which was banned at the time.
When they couldn't even pay their last respects to their loved ones.

You may not care a jot for that, however that's your problem not mine.
Unbelievable!

All the one’s involved in the expenses scandal should have been removed from there positions and banned from politics forever .. and been jailed even


I just mentioned those disgusting Labour politicians as you said you were a Labour voter .. and you have been happily slaughtering Boris for ... attending a party .

Interesting that you have no opinion on their disgraceful behaviour back then ... because you were too young to vote ? LOL

Guess you have no opinion on Adolf either given he was also before your time .


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[Withano]

Lol get him out.

Worst prime minister in history and it’s not even close.

[bitontheslide]

Sunak is keeping well away from the proceedings which points to him being the next PM in waiting. I thought after yesterday's apology that Boris would survive but i'm not so certain now. I would imagine if more stuff is out there it will come out now

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Withano

Lol get him out.

Worst prime minister in history and it’s not even close.

How old are you ?

We’ve had some proper demicks in the last 50 years or so


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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How old are you ?

We’ve had some proper demicks in the last 50 years or so


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To be fair while we've had some that have made some horrendous decisions, certainly, I don't think we've had one who so freely tells the most ridiculous lies and comes out with the excuses that a 5 year old would use and expects that to be just accepted... "I didn't know it was a party tho" must be up there with the most ludicrous ways to avoid accepting responsibility I've ever heard from anyone over the age of 12.

If we're talking "worst" in terms of actual effect though, no, he's not the literal worst. Thatcher's politics are still the absolute worst and she will be near-impossible to beat.

And Mr Cameron is up there too with A) Mishandling the Brexit vote through over-confidence and B) running away afterwards.

Not going to lie though Zizu, you have to admit that Boris probably makes the top 5 if you factor in various things.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

Lol get him out.

Worst prime minister in history and it’s not even close.

No Rush

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

All the one’s involved in the expenses scandal should have been removed from there positions and banned from politics forever .. and been jailed even


I just mentioned those disgusting Labour politicians as you said you were a Labour voter .. and you have been happily slaughtering Boris for ... attending a party .

Interesting that you have no opinion on their disgraceful behaviour back then ... because you were too young to vote ? LOL

Guess you have no opinion on Adolf either given he was also before your time .


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I've made many posts on here over the years.
On Hitler.
On all Parties
On near all political issues.

I condemn ALL these involved in the expenses scandal from ALL Parties.

I won't condemn just one Party's MPs as you have in this thread.

All you're seeming to be doing is detracting from the issue of Johnson breaking his own laws and rules.
You dismiss by making no reference to, those thousands upon thousands of people left grieving who obeyed his laws and rules, even as to not being able to pay last respects to lost loved ones

You're banging on about the past.
To help defend Johnson most likely.
Since you avoid the wrongs of the Cons while only highlighting others.

I'm talking about this issue now which is what this thread is about.

I'll throw another to you HOWEVER, what about the Con sleaze in the 90s too.

All Parties do wrong and in the expenses scandal revealed around 2008/9.
Indeed ALL Parties MPs were involved in the scandal.

So again I say, I condemn ALL MPS of all parties who abused expenses and committed illegal acts.

Now I've a answered your questioning and ridiculous nitpicking at myself personally just because I'm a Labour member and supporter.
So from now find someone else to question as I've made my position clear.
I've said I condemn all MPs of all parties who acted illegally in the expenses scandal.
All parties, not just Labours as you do.

I'm absolutely sick of the nitpicking on here.

The only people I'll defend in this saga with this disgraceful PM, are the families like my own, who have lost loved ones unnecessarily and not been ABLE to be with them while they were dying, nor able to be at their funerals.
Because we and they obeyed the laws and rules this PM ordered us all to.

My, and their anger at him laughing in our faces, and only apologising once he was caught out, as he and his Cabinet and staff broke those rules, will only get stronger and stronger.
In my view, rightly so too

You may not care at all about those people grieving.
Well, that's not my problem.
However it says nothing about me thankfully.

[arista]

Johnson
has a member in his family that has covid.

So he has cancelled his Health Hospital Visit



https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...covid-12514781

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And Mr Cameron is up there too with A) Mishandling the Brexit vote through over-confidence and B) running away afterwards.

It comes to something when he's the best PM we've had in ages... but ehh, while I'm not th biggest Tory fan that's not quite fair, he wasn't abysmal ...

If he'd have stayed after the Brexit vote and tried to make the best of it, who knows where we'd be now...

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It comes to something when he's the best PM we've had in ages... but ehh, while I'm not th biggest Tory fan that's not quite fair, he wasn't abysmal ...

If he'd have stayed after the Brexit vote and tried to make the best of it, who knows where we'd be now...

All I'll say on David Cameron was he didn't believe in Brexit.

He really in my view didn't think he'd ever have to hold a referendum.
As in the election of 2015 he stressed all the time, IF the Conservatives got an overall majority he would hold an EU referendum.

No poll indicated anything other than another hung parliament.
So he thought he'd be a minority government or still needing the Lib Dems to govern.
So he would be ABLE to say he didn't get an overall majority so the EU referendum wouldn't get passed.

However he got an overall majority and he had to hold one with UKIP biting at his heels.

I personally wish he'd stayed in place however, he knew behind him on the backbenches, the really extreme anti EU elements of his party.
His nemesis, Johnson had been high profile against him in the referendum campaign.

His heart wasn't in delivering something he'd hoped to avoid.

So while some see it as an abandonment of duty to see his policy through, regardless of the result.
I can understand him not wanting to.

I have reservations of David Cameron but overall I liked him.
It was his attacks on the poorest, vulnerable,sick and disabled plus the massive top down NHS re- organisation which made it impossible for me to vote for him.

However for me, he's the best Conservative PM of the last 3.
Theresa May who I've never liked, her premiership highlighted the chaos Cameron would have faced from the hard Brexit elements of the Conservative party.

She never really had a chance.
I do think she was like a stopgap for a short time only in order to pave the way for those hardliners to get Johnson finally in place.
Johnson, even in her Cabinet often publicly worked against her.

Such is politics however, it can be extremely brutal.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes LT its a Work Event.

[parmnion]

I'm treating my staff for their hard work....bring your own drinks though....tight sod

[LeatherTrumpet]

Boris Johnson has pulled out of a planned visit to Lancashire this morning "due to a family member testing positive for coronavirus", Downing Street said.


A family member who lives in 10 Downing Street?

more lies

[arista]

Poor Old Victoria Derbyshire
is outside in the cold
10 Downing Street.
BBC news


Thats stupid
as Johnson is staying put
as a member of his family has Covid.


No need to look Rough outside 10 Downing St.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Boris Johnson has pulled out of a planned visit to Lancashire this morning "due to a family member testing positive for coronavirus", Downing Street said.


A family member who lives in 10 Downing Street?

more lies

The truth is he is keeping his head down, it must be good odds that he will be gone within the week

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Boris Johnson has pulled out of a planned visit to Lancashire this morning "due to a family member testing positive for coronavirus", Downing Street said.


A family member who lives in 10 Downing Street?

more lies

Yes I posted that with a Link

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

Johnson
has a member in his family that has covid.

So he has cancelled his Health Hospital Visit



https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...covid-12514781

Yes no need for the BBC Victoria being outside his door.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I posted that with a Link

so they only member of his family at no 10 is his wife?