[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Scrap it, dont freeze it

Take it out of General Tax
is the way forward.

[UserSince2005]

Obsolete BBC has to go.

[UserSince2005]

And away with the NHS while were at it please.

[arista]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Obsolete BBC has to go.

No, they want to keep it.



But the Bloated BBC
needs this 2 year Tax Freeze.

[arista]

The BBC Debate has ended.

[glib]

Originally Posted by arista

No, they want to keep it.



But the Bloated BBC
needs this 2 year Tax Freeze.

Just seen prize fund on Pointless is £1250 whilst on the Chase it was £50,000 the other day. Tight.

[arista]

[Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries today confirmed
the BBC licence fee will be frozen at £159
for the next two years,
as she also announced a review
into the long-term future of the annual levy]





[She said: 'The BBC wanted the fee to rise
to over £180 by the end of this settlement.
Instead it will remain fixed at £159 until April 2024.]


Labour would allow the Rise.

[arista]

[Director-general Tim Davie (pictured)
and chairman Richard Sharp said in a message
to staff that they 'welcomed' debate
and 'look forward to engaging
in a discussion about public service
broadcasting in the UK and
how best to fund it']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ee-freeze.html

[bitontheslide]

labour would of course support a pay rise for the bbc as it is their biggest mouthpiece

[Toy Soldier]

Time for it to go.

[arista]

[Nicky91]

my country's national channels had a license fee too for quite a long while tbh but not anymore for over 25 years now


our new ways of funding is quite simple for NPO (AVROTROS, NOS, ZAPP) we broadcast so called STER adverts before and after each show, but we made a deal not to get ad breaks between shows (only exception is sports shows but that is pretty easy to have a ad break when there is a break in the sports event anyway)

think something like this would also work for BBC, because the main problem i have with ad breaks is if they are between shows (I HATE THAT)



i can understand people who are against this license fee, and yes some of their presenters are a bit paid too much, not even in my country they are being paid too much (those presenters salaries can be adjusted a lot, and they can do extra work by appearing in some of the ads)




but BBC has quite a lot of successes in both drama shows and reality shows

drama series successes

- Line of Duty
- Vigil
- Bodyguard

quite some of the drama mini-series are also of very high quality and with lots of great acting stars in them as well

-------
reality show successes

- Strictly Come Dancing (still millions of viewers tuning in to regular series and christmas special shows)

- The Wheel (also quite nice, and Michael McIntyre does a fantastic job and also good quality celeb experts featuring in it)


upcoming reality show - The Traitors i also expect something from your version, i myself am addicted to ours, such a strong concept game show, really gets you obsessed with if they make the right choices in unmasking a traitor or if the traitors make the right choices to remove the strongest faithful contestants

[arista]

Yes SkyMoviesHD
has ads between films

Once the Film starts no ads.

The BBC should try that.

[arista]

[David Dimbleby, 83, says the BBC licence fee
could be linked to council tax
Ex-Question Time host says it is 'inequitable' to charge
a flat annual rate of £159
He told BBC Radio 4's World At One that a fee tied
to council tax would be fairer
Journalist also admitted BBC needs to do more
to 'lockstep' with British public]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...inked-tax.html


Another Idea/

[James]

I've been thinking of cancelling the TV licence - not for any ideological reason, but just to save money.

The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel
watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)
download or watch any BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer.

From https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one

I basically never watch live TV now, and you don't need a licence for the BBC News, Sport and Weather apps which I use. I watch quite a lot of YouTube and Twitch though, and it is not clear if you need a licence if you want to watch those live.

I know that if, say, you watch Sky News on YouTube you are required to have a TV licence but does that apply to other YouTube and Twitch channels?

What About Twitch And Other Live Streamers?
This is where things get complicated. When TV Licence laws were first set, BBC iPlayer and streaming TV in general didn’t exist.

So for a time, there was a loophole where people who watched the BBC online via BBC iPlayer, did not need a TV licence – but that loophole was fixed in 2016.


But what about services like Twitch, where individuals (or companies) broadcast themselves live to the world? This is true for a number of services:

Twitch
YouTube Live (as opposed to on-demand, recorded content on YouTube)
Facebook Live
Instagram Live
And the list goes on and on. A reader even sent us a question regarding live video streams of Church services – do you need a TV licence to watch those live?

The official TV Licensing website says, regarding YouTube, that “any programme which is part of a TV channel, broadcast or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time” needs a TV licence.

Furthermore, “Online-only TV channels still count as live TV, so you need a TV Licence if you’re watching or recording their programmes.”

With the wording being a bit vague, it’s no wonder some think Twitch and other live streams from individuals do need a TV Licence.


We took this question to the BBC, where a spokesperson told us that – No, the Twitch scenario (and the live Church broadcast) would not require a TV Licence.

But then, how does one tell the difference between a live broadcast (on Twitch, for example) that DOESN’T need a TV licence, and a live broadcast (live news coverage from Sky News on YouTube, for example) that DOES need a TV Licence?

In the past, the official answer was that anything that is ALSO available on a linear broadcast channel (on TV) – would require a licence if you’re watching it live on a different medium.

But, again, with many TV “channels” now only existing on online platforms – that answer is no longer relevant.



So I queried the BBC further, and was told that “For a service to require a licence to watch” [even if you’re watching it streamed online], “it must be a ‘television programme service'”.

The TV Licensing body would have to make that distinction, however. Some of the factors that would be taken into account when considering this are:

Whether a service has a regular schedule of programmes
How continuous a service is
Editorial control and consistency
The quality of production and editorial values.
Therefore, since most Twitch (and similar) live streams don’t come from a body that resembles a “television programme service” – you would not need a TV licence for them.

That's a bit vague.

From https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/do-i-n...-youtube-live/

[arista]

[I've been thinking of cancelling the TV licence - not for any ideological reason,
but just to save money.]


Can you
not hang on.
And await the Government changing it.

[arista]

[What about BBC iPlayer?

You also need to be covered to download
or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up
or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use.]

Catch up is no longer free on the BBC.



And Twitch is owned by Amazon USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitch_(service)



[I only watch non-UK channels, do I need a licence?

Yes, you need a TV Licence to watch any
TV channels live (broadcast or online),
even if these are from outside the UK.
This applies no matter what device you’re using.]

[James]

Originally Posted by arista

[What about BBC iPlayer?

You also need to be covered to download
or watch BBC programmes on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up
or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use.]


Catch up is no longer free on the BBC.

I don't use iPlayer either.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

I don't use iPlayer either.

Fair enough
but as you have a TV
even using outside UK feed
they still want their £169 Tax each year.

[MTVN]

I think it would be very difficult to not use anything that is covered by a TV license

Just read that it's less than a third of the price if you have a black and white TV which is rather quaint

[James]

About the only thing I would want to see that is covered is the World Cup this year. But then I could get a licence then, and cancel it afterwards.

[bitontheslide]

i rarely watch live tv now, i would much rather pay subscriptions for things i do want to watch

[James]

I've realised that if I ever subscribed to a live TV service eg. Sky Sports I would need a licence again so maybe I won't cancel it.

[arista]

SkyText: [Home Secretary Priti Patel has accused the BBC of
exhibiting an "undercurrent" of xenophobia when
reporting on the government's immigration deal with Rwanda,
The Sunday Times reports.]

[arista]

[BBC to cut number of programmes it makes,
says director general

[The BBC will cut the number of programmes
it makes and consider turning more television
and radio stations into archive services,
according to the corporation’s director general.

Tim Davie is preparing to announce deep cuts
to BBC output in the coming weeks,
with staff nervously wondering whether
their programmes or channels will be axed.
The corporation estimates it needs to find
another £285m in annual savings as a result
of government-imposed cuts to its budget.

Davie said the era of the BBC trying
to do “everything with every service” was
no longer viable because it ended up
spreading itself “too thin”.

Speculation has been rife within the BBC
that entire channels could be taken off air
to meet financial targets.
Davie suggested that while the media loved
to talk about the BBC taking channels off air,
real savings came from simply reducing the
spending on a channel’s content.]


[He said his focus was on maximising the value
the BBC’s licence fee payers got for their
£13 a month.
“We’re not trying to be Netflix, we’re going to be
highly distinctive and of the highest quality.”]


https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rector-general