[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well we now know that these stats are misleading

They are the Official Numbers


Are you talking about Alf?

[Vanessa]

I hope they know what they're doing. Removing covid restrictions now could be a mistake.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I hope they know what they're doing. Removing covid restrictions now could be a mistake.

They've never known what they were doing.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

They are the Official Numbers


Are you talking about Alf?

the numbers who died from Covid alone, with no other health issue (co-morbidity) is 8 times lower in England and Wales than the Government led us to believe

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I hope they know what they're doing. Removing covid restrictions now could be a mistake.

why?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the numbers who died from Covid alone, with no other health issue (co-morbidity) is 8 times lower in England and Wales than the Government led us to believe

Could be possible

[AnnieK]

In the beginning I do think that most people who lost their lives were vulnerable, elderly or suffering with other life limiting illnesses. There obviously has been deaths of previously healthy people but the majority will have had other issues I'm sure. The death figures were never very reliable once they lumped people in who had tested positive in the last 28 days but could have died when they were hit by a bus!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

In the beginning I do think that most people who lost their lives were vulnerable, elderly or suffering with other life limiting illnesses. There obviously has been deaths of previously healthy people but the majority will have had other issues I'm sure. The death figures were never very reliable once they lumped people in who had tested positive in the last 28 days but could have died when they were hit by a bus!

The average death age in 2021 from Covid was 82.5 years

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

In the beginning I do think that most people who lost their lives were vulnerable, elderly or suffering with other life limiting illnesses. There obviously has been deaths of previously healthy people but the majority will have had other issues I'm sure. The death figures were never very reliable once they lumped people in who had tested positive in the last 28 days but could have died when they were hit by a bus!

The number that didn't have comorbidities is low-ish around 15-20,000 I think. It is worth noting however that if someone is over 70, it's VERY likely that they have at least one comorbidity, and comorbidities are not necessarily "the scary stuff" like heart disease or cancer. Extremely common, mangeable ailments in the over-70's like type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure (or low blood pressure) etc. are classed as comorbidities.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The number that didn't have comorbidities is low-ish around 15-20,000 I think. It is worth noting however that if someone is over 70, it's VERY likely that they have at least one comorbidity, and comorbidities are not necessarily "the scary stuff" like heart disease or cancer. Extremely common, mangeable ailments in the over-70's like type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure (or low blood pressure) etc. are classed as comorbidities.

and that most did not die that got covid above 70 and 80

co-morbs or not

not sure of the percentage but it must be in the 90s?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and that most did not die that got covid above 70 and 80



co-morbs or not



not sure of the percentage but it must be in the 90s?

I think the case fatality rate is about 5% for over 75's, rising to over 20% for over 90's but that's not hugely unexpected, pretty much anything can kill you at 90.

[arista]

[arista]

[The Daily Telegraph reports that some headteachers
are insisting that pupils still wear face masks
in the classroom - despite the official government
guidance being changed.
It says more than 100 schools have written
to parents saying face coverings will continue.
Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi
said his department would contact schools
that were refusing to scrap masks.]

[Zizu]

The world is going crazy ... our high school have now decided to overrule the government policy that you only need a LFD test as proof of Covid ... we now have to provide PCR test as well .

I have been too poorly to leave my bed , never mind the house , to get tested , so I have requested a postal PCR test but it was a complete ball ache to organise when my brain is frazzled


They also advised us yesterday that Covid related sickness absences are going to be included in the staff absences data and the subsequent interviews .

The interviews are going to recommence next week ( after being suspended for nearly two years ) .


So much for their ongoing claim that Covid staff welfare is paramount ...

I’m already at my wits end wondering if I’m gonna get better or worse .. yesterday was my worst day so far ( day 3 ) .


PS

This is what our union ( Unison ) told us at the start of Covid .




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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The world is going crazy ... our high school have now decided to overrule the government policy that you only need a LFD test as proof of Covid ... we now have to provide PCR test as well .

I have been too poorly to leave my bed , never mind the house , to get tested , so I have requested a postal PCR test but it was a complete ball ache to organise when my brain is frazzled


They also advised us yesterday that Covid related sickness absences are going to be included in the staff absences data and the subsequent interviews .

The interviews are going to recommence next week ( after being suspended for nearly two years ) .


So much for their ongoing claim that Covid staff welfare is paramount ...

I’m already at my wits end wondering if I’m gonna get better or worse .. yesterday was my worst day so far ( day 3 ) .


PS

This is what our union ( Unison ) told us at the start of Covid .




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Speak to your Union Zizu....that's what they are there for. If you are triple vaccinated and have followed protocol you shouldn't be penalised for picking this virus up.

Is your school an Academy or council run?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Speak to your Union Zizu....that's what they are there for. If you are triple vaccinated and have followed protocol you shouldn't be penalised for picking this virus up.

Is your school an Academy or council run?

Sadly a flaming trust / academy ... we changed about 18 months ago .

It’s probably because I feel so low this that I’m probably overreacting ..

Having to get a PCR test felt as though they don’t trust us ... now the change in absence interviews feels unfair ..

I went over 18 months without a day off sick then I was poorly the day after my booster & flu jab .



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[Toy Soldier]

Honestly requiring PCR confirmation seems (just bordering on) being fair enough, but including genuine Covid confirmed cases in absence management policies is ridiculous. It will encourage presenteeism (showing up to work whilst ill) and that's NEVER been a good thing, let alone in Covid times.

Just another example of why I'm so glad to work for a small ethical company now. Those "justify your absence" meetings are so patronising and demoralising. There's no need for it - as a manager you KNOW when a staff member is taking the piss and that's the only time a meeting is warranted.

[AnnieK]

I've been lucky too. I haven't had a sick day in over 10 years and now I'm stuck at home with Covid I assumed it would blemish my record but my company have confirmed it won't be recorded as sickness and I offered to work from home but they told me to just relax and wait till I test negative.

In the 20 + years I've worked there I've only had 6 sick days so they know I'm not taking the piss.

[bitontheslide]

An American Airlines plane bound for London from Miami has had to turn around because a passenger refused to wear a face mask, the airline has said.

American Airlines Flight AAL38 with 129 passengers on board returned to Miami where it was met by police, it said.

They escorted a woman in her 40s off the plane, reports say.

She has been placed on a list of people barred from flying with American Airlines, pending further investigation, the airline said.

The Wednesday flight turned around less than an hour into its journey, according to tracking service FlightAware.

"American Airlines flight 38 with service from Miami (MIA) to London returned to MIA due to a disruptive customer refusing to comply with the federal mask requirement," the airline said.

Passengers on the flight to London Heathrow were re-booked on to another flight for Thursday.

"Everyone was shocked," one passenger told CBS station WFOR-TV after getting off the Wednesday flight.

Another passenger said she was disappointed.

"They wouldn't really say anything, and I don't believe they told the flight attendants anything either because they said all they could say was there was an extreme incident with a passenger and they had to turn around," she told the station.

Airlines reported nearly 6,000 incidents involving unruly passengers last year and 151 in the first two weeks of this year, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Most of them involved passengers who refused to wear masks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60080080

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That is completely crazy

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

An American Airlines plane bound for London from Miami has had to turn around because a passenger refused to wear a face mask, the airline has said.

American Airlines Flight AAL38 with 129 passengers on board returned to Miami where it was met by police, it said.

They escorted a woman in her 40s off the plane, reports say.

She has been placed on a list of people barred from flying with American Airlines, pending further investigation, the airline said.

The Wednesday flight turned around less than an hour into its journey, according to tracking service FlightAware.

"American Airlines flight 38 with service from Miami (MIA) to London returned to MIA due to a disruptive customer refusing to comply with the federal mask requirement," the airline said.

Passengers on the flight to London Heathrow were re-booked on to another flight for Thursday.

"Everyone was shocked," one passenger told CBS station WFOR-TV after getting off the Wednesday flight.

Another passenger said she was disappointed.

"They wouldn't really say anything, and I don't believe they told the flight attendants anything either because they said all they could say was there was an extreme incident with a passenger and they had to turn around," she told the station.

Airlines reported nearly 6,000 incidents involving unruly passengers last year and 151 in the first two weeks of this year, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. Most of them involved passengers who refused to wear masks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60080080

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That is completely crazy

They should have locked her in one of the toilets ... sorry I’m not feeling very tolerant today


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[arista]

"That is completely crazy"


They need to Make sure everyone will
put a mask on
before they get on a Plane.


And make it a $10,000 fine

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

57.549 new cases

1.108 total hospitalisations

287 total on ICU's/ventilators, 11 new patients on ICU's

12 new deaths

117 new patients on nursing wards

[arista]

The Irish PM
is Live on SkyNewsHD

with his changes

Keeping Masks, though.

[LeatherTrumpet]

they need to get the masks of children

its abuse

[arista]

Friday 21/1/22

288 have Died
95,787 Have Caught Covid-19


Patients in hospital
Latest available
17,976


Patients in
ventilation beds
Latest available
664


153,490 Total UK Covid-19 Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/