[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've just booked a holiday to Kiev for 2 weeks time, maybe I'll get to see Putin's tanks roll in

If they go to War
you can be a Prisoner

[MTVN]

Not if I pick the winning side

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not if I pick the winning side

If Russia gets their Army Tanks into Ukraine
Russia has won.


So you will be under Putin.

[Nicky91]

what if there won't be a invasion?


Putin keeps denying anything regarding this ''invasion of ukraine''




there always has been trouble between Ukraine and Russia, regarding who owns Crimean Tatar region for example, where Russian gets support by ukrainian rebels, which led to the Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 shootdown incident

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not if I pick the winning side

We all know which side you picked when you had the audacity to call it Kiev rather than Kyiv.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

We all know which side you picked when you had the audacity to call it Kiev rather than Kyiv.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands PM Mark Rutte and dutch minister of foreign affairs Wopke Hoekstra will travel to Ukraine to try and help out in this conflict

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/19/dutch-...ns-russia-rise

Prime Minister Mark Rutte plans to travel to Ukraine "soon" with Foreign Affairs Minister Wopke Hoekstra. He said this during the parliamentary debate on the government statement. Rutte called the situation at the border between Russia and Ukraine "very worrying."

Russia sent tens of thousands of soldiers to the border with Ukraine, pushing the tension in the region to a very high level. According to Rutte, the European Union is seeking dialogue with Moscow and putting pressure on Russia to prevent military action.

Even a limited military operation on the Russian side will involve high costs, Rutte warned. "It is important that we realize that." The European Union is preparing sanctions. The Netherlands is closely involved in this as the fifth largest EU economy, according to the Prime Minister.

Whether Rutte will attempt to contact Moscow himself is unclear. Last year he refrained from attending any meeting with Russian president Vladimir Putin at an EU summit. "I will not participate in a meeting with Vladimir Putin myself," he said at a European Council meeting in Brussels in June. When a reporter asked why he replied, "MH17."

The Malaysia Airlines flight was shot down over eastern Ukraine on 17 July 2014, killing all 298 people on board, many of whom were Dutch. Investigation showed that the plane was shot down by a BUK missile system from a field in Ukraine that was under the control of pro-Russian separatists. The investigation team tracked the missile system's transport from Russia to the field and back.

The trial against the first four men suspected of involvement in the downing of the plane is currently ongoing. In December, the Public Prosecution Service demanded life in prison against all four.

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[MTVN]

I've been reading a lot about this recently with my upcoming trip, the Ukrainians are very grateful to Britain for transporting a lot of weapons to them while the US only talks vaguely about sanctions and Germany has banned any transportation of weapons from going through their airspace. They refuse to provide any weaponry because they say they have a restrictive arms export policy but they have just sent a huge amount of military equipment to Egypt

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've been reading a lot about this recently with my upcoming trip, the Ukrainians are very grateful to Britain for transporting a lot of weapons to them while the US only talks vaguely about sanctions and Germany has banned any transportation of weapons from going through their airspace. They refuse to provide any weaponry because they say they have a restrictive arms export policy but they have just sent a huge amount of military equipment to Egypt

Yes,
USA no longer wants to be the World Police
they say/claim they will damage the Russia banks and
Financial Sanctions


Putin Told Biden last week or so
he does not mind.

All Putin is Demanding is Nato stay out of Ukraine.
Then he will not invade.



Ref: CNN HD/ WION HD/ TRTworldHD

[MTVN]

Biden is a foreign policy disasterclass, worse than Trump. He said last night that Russia probably will 'move in' but it won't be a full on war as if a small invasion of another country is all cool, massive encouragement for Putin..

[bitontheslide]

Biden seems to be incompetent on every front. His words yesterday were a disaster. He has pretty much sealed ukraine's fate

[MTVN]

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has hit back at comments made by his US counterpart Joe Biden about a "minor incursion" by Russia into his country.

Mr Biden had suggested that a "minor" attack might bring a weaker response from the US and its allies.

But Mr Zelensky tweeted: "There are no minor incursions. Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60072502

[arista]

Another Week
of talks by Russia and USA.

[UserSince2005]

I made an effort to do a quick tour of ukraine before I left for NYC in last year. I spent every moment thinking about how this could be my last trip to the ukraine. Don’t let kyiv fall to the nasties please

[arista]

[arista]

[glib]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

I made an effort to do a quick tour of ukraine before I left for NYC in last year. I spent every moment thinking about how this could be my last trip to the ukraine. Don’t let kyiv fall to the nasties please

It’s Ukraine darlin, Middlesbrough is probably a better holiday destination.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by glib

It’s Ukraine darlin, Middlesbrough is probably a better holiday destination.

Ukraine is a great holiday. And so cheap. You live like a king.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Reports in the Papers
says Putin has picked a Pro Russian Former Parliament member
"Yevhen Murayev" in Ukraine to take the Power over.
He has no votes at the time.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/01/23/foreig...-staff-ukraine

Netherlands: Foreign Affairs ministry says too early to pull embassy staff from Ukraine

The Netherlands currently does not see any reason to remove embassy staff from Ukraine, a spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said.

"We are constantly monitoring developments and are constantly weighing up what steps we need to take," the ministry said. "Of course, we will consider whether there are grounds to let embassy employees leave. At the moment, there is no reason to do so," the spokesperson said.

The Dutch embassy is located in Kyiv, 150 kilometers south of its northern border with Belarus and around 240 kilometers away from the Russian border. The Netherlands also has a consulate in Lviv, near the country's western border with Poland.

The US State Department has urged relatives of embassy employees to leave Ukraine, according to Fox News, amid rising tensions at the Russian border. Bild also reported that Germany is preparing for possible evacuation. Russia has around 100,000 troops stationed at Ukraine's border, which are ready to attack at any moment, US officials stated, according to the Guardian.

British intelligence services reported that Russia is trying to help a pro-Russian politician into office in Ukraine. Russia has denied the accusation saying it was "false information."

Orange travel advice applies to most of Ukraine due to tensions with Russia and the coronavirus situation. Orange travel advice means that trips that are not strictly necessary are discouraged. For the conflict areas of Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea, the travel advice is red, which means that all travel there is discouraged.

[Nicky91]

of course Crimea is a conflict area, it is the only area of interest for Russia, it always has been


Crimea belongs to Russia, but no Ukrainians become greedy and want to take everything for themselves, Ukrainians need to stop pretending they are ''innocent'' they once belonged with the Soviet-Union, and Russia was the no.1 nation of that supercountry

[Nicky91]

i stand with Vladimir Putin, still support him as a world leader, and also ask yourself this


why would Putin intend to go to winter olympics opening ceremony if so called ''evidence'' from hypocrites in USA with their CIA spies insists that Putin is planning a ''invasion'' of Ukraine

and where is this ''evidence'' exactly?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

of course Crimea is a conflict area, it is the only area of interest for Russia, it always has been


Crimea belongs to Russia, but no Ukrainians become greedy and want to take everything for themselves, Ukrainians need to stop pretending they are ''innocent'' they once belonged with the Soviet-Union, and Russia was the no.1 nation of that supercountry

But in Ukraine
they have a split with the public
Some want Russia to take over
but more to stay as they are