[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Incorrect, he testified that their heads connected in the process of her attacking him and him trying to get her off of him

He was trying to get away and she was following him.
Yes, I believe she is the abusive one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Do you honestly think Vanessa that Johnny never laid a finger on Amber? Its a serious question, I'm not trying to be funny.

Because if you answer yes, then sadly no matter what Amber is lying about really doesn't matter. She said he hit her, if he ever laid hands on her, even just once, he is guilty of doing what she has alleged. It doesn't matter what she did to him as that is not the point of this trial - she alleges he hit her, he said he didn't. The rest is really irrelevant.

Its just been one big media circus in my opinion and no winners - they have both been proven to be destructive addicts. I hope whatever the outcome they both move on from it and get on with their lives in a more healthy way

Yep. 100% especially agree with your final paragraph, the fact that it's all been televised is gross as well

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He was trying to get away and she was following him.
Yes, I believe she is the abusive one.

So he says......

[Vanessa]

She's done it before. She was arrested for domestic violence against her ex wife.
And I believe Johnny's side have a witness who will come and testify about this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's done it before. She was arrested for domestic violence against her ex wife.
And I believe Johnny's side have a witness who will come and testify about this.

Yes we know, that isn't what the trial is about though, is it?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So he says......

There’s audio of Amber complaining that whenever there’s ‘trouble’ he always walks away from her and her admitting that she followed him to bathrooms to get him to come out, it’s safe to say that was probably a common occurrence

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes we know, that isn't what the trial is about though, is it?

If the witness is accepted that means it's somehow relevant to the case. Surely?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

If the witness is accepted that means it's somehow relevant to the case. Surely?

I wouldn't think so no. There's been plenty of stuff I've seen that seem totally irrelevant

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't think so no. There's been plenty of stuff I've seen that seem totally irrelevant

I think it's very relevant. Considering Amber has tried her best to hide this. What is she hiding?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think it's very relevant. Considering Amber has tried her best to hide this. What is she hiding?

Still nobody is denying that she was arrested for domestic violence against her ex though

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Still nobody is denying that she was arrested for domestic violence against her ex though

But she didn't want Johnny to know this before they got married.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But she didn't want Johnny to know this before they got married.

ok?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There’s audio of Amber complaining that whenever there’s ‘trouble’ he always walks away from her and her admitting that she followed him to bathrooms to get him to come out, it’s safe to say that was probably a common occurrence

I don’t think anyone has disputed that they were in an unhealthy/codependent relationship? That’s evident in all of the audio recordings. Again it’s not really relevant (other than the fact that many codependent relationships have elements of control/abuse).

As Niamh says… it doesn’t matter if she followed him into 1000 bathrooms… it doesn’t even matter if she cut off his finger. This is not a criminal assault trial. He’s suing for libel because she said he hit her during the relationship. If she pulled out a machete and sliced off his finger and then he punched her in the face and that’s all proven… yes someone might pursue her with GBH charges… but she still wins THIS case. If he hit her, saying he hit her isn’t libel. That’s why I’m so confused about them trying so hard to prove all these mitigating circumstances. They’re not relevant.

Well I say I’m confused; I’m not actually confused. Winning the trial isn’t the point and never has been.

[Vanessa]

She still hasn't provided any evidence that he hit her.
We're supposed to take her word for it, when she's been caught lying so many times?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

EVERYONE heard that rumour.

Actually I never heard that 'rumour' .... until this whole American trial began , so no not everyone .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ok?

In her UK testimony Amber said that the DV never happened. That it was a misunderstanding.That the case was dismissed.
But the arresting officer said otherwise. They saw Amber attack her partner and they arrested her.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Her sister Whitney said pretty much the same thing.
Under oath. They both lied.
Kate Moss isn't lying, otherwise they would have cross examined her. And they didn't.

Did you see AH 's deposition ?, she also slipped up about the kitchen video and said that TMZ DID get the video.

She covers her face so quickly, realising she shouldn't have said that. And she's there munching on biscuits like it's no big deal,that she's talking about domestic abuse. She's entirely different to her court testimonies .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Actually I never heard that 'rumour' .... until this whole American trial began , so no not everyone .

I followed them as a couple at the time. They always looked so in love.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did you see AH 's deposition ?, she also slipped up about the kitchen video and said that TMZ DID get the video.

She covers her face so quickly, realising she shouldn't have said that. And she's there munching on biscuits like it's no big deal,that she's talking about domestic abuse. She's entirely different to her court testimonies .

Amber and, Whitney and her friends all have different testimonies about the same incident.
How is that possible?
I'm so glad Kate Moss testified.
Now we need the arresting officer of that 2009 case.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She said all she could think of was Kate Moss and the stairs. That's all she said at that point, the other time she mentioned it she said she'd heard a rumour from a couple of people that Johnny had pushed Kate Moss down the stairs. I mean clearly she wasn't there the time Kate Moss fell down the stairs so she's obviously only going by something someone had told her about the incident anyway

But if you've heard a "rumour" ,why would you bring it up in court without FACTS .. plus Heard also talks about things like they ACTUALLY happened,then she changes her mind when her lies don't fit the narrative or when she's put herself in a corner .

You yourself said she wasn't there, so why was she bringing Kate Moss' name into this, anyway I'm glad Moss has cleared this up now.

[Vanessa]

Someone who keeps lying does not inspire me with confidence at all.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But if you've heard a "rumour" ,why would you bring it up in court without FACTS .. plus Heard also talks about things like they ACTUALLY happened,then she changes her mind when her lies don't fit the narrative or when she's put herself in a corner .

You yourself said she wasn't there, so why was she bringing Kate Moss' name into this, anyway I'm glad Moss has cleared this up now.

Why are you asking me that question? I don't know or care why she brought it up. The only reason I commented on it was because Vanessa was claiming that Kate Moss' testimony proves that AH was lying when it actually does no such thing.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also, it's a pity Kate didn't come forward before now and say he didn't do that. This rumour has been milling around for such a long time she could have put an end to it ages ago

Perhaps she didn't want to get involved . She's had her issues aswell. Maybe she got tired of AH's lies and knew she had to defend JD , I know I would hate someone dragging my name into something THAT DIDN'T happen,and I would want to address & clear things up aswell.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Perhaps she didn't want to get involved . She's had her issues aswell. Maybe she got tired of AH's lies and knew she had to defend JD , I know I would hate someone dragging my name into something THAT DIDN'T happen,and I would want to address & clear things up aswell.

She should have thought those things about johnny depp instead of letting those rumours drag on for decades...selfish cow.

[parmnion]

This latest witness had already made her mind up about heards mental state before even meeting her.

Another fan hag, wined and dined by johnny and his legal team.