[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The article I found doesn't actually give much details other than Elon Musk(allegedly) has a morally questionable "kink"

This is the article
https://poptopic.com.au/rumour/amber...7tYgGjGZQyGPks

[bitontheslide]

the worlds richest man is not going to be blackmailed

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the worlds richest man is not going to be blackmailed

Depends what she has on him. She takes videos of everything, like she did with Johnny.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

But it's all against one woman, that woman being Amber Heard.

Where we differ I think is in our definition of misogyny.

I have said numerous times that his comments are derogatory. Derogatory to women.

However, I don't think he is a misoginist because the definition of misogyny is a hatred towards women. There are no women, he's referring to Amber Heard. It's one woman.... So for those reasons I do not feel he meets the definition, neither do I think it's fair, that he is labelled a misogynist.

I have not defended his comments, I have tried to understand them and understood why he was angry and what might make him say those things. I do not condone his comments and think they're disgusting.

Difference with racism and homophobia is that the definitions of them and what would constitute racism and homophobia are different.

It doesn’t necessarily mean a hatred, just an ingrained prejudice, or feeling of superiority (no matter how subconscious) is a form of misogyny. Yes the word itself etymologically means “a hatred of” but it’s not a necessary part of the modern definition, any more than it’s necessary for someone to be fearful of gay people to make a homophobic joke. A phobia is a fear. And yes, plenty of prejudice against gay people is rooted in irrational fear, but certainly not all of it… plenty of arseholea out there happily throwing around jokes at gay peoples expense who have no literal fear whatsoever. It’s still appropriate to define their jokes as homophobia. Words don’t have to follow their etymology to the letter.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

But it's all against one woman, that woman being Amber Heard.

But my racism example was just against one man?

Where we differ I think is in our definition of misogyny.

The definition of misogyny is no different to the definition of racism though?
It's a hatred/prejudice based on a particular demographic that a person belongs to

I have said numerous times that his comments are derogatory. Derogatory to women.

So how can you think they're derogatory to women but not think they're misogynistic?

However, I don't think he is a misoginist because the definition of misogyny is a hatred towards women. There are no women, he's referring to Amber Heard. It's one woman.... So for those reasons I do not feel he meets the definition, neither do I think it's fair, that he is labelled a misogynist.

I never called him a misogynist though, I said his comments were misogynistic. As with racism, i don't need to know anything about a person's everyday attitudes and treatment of black people to think that a particular comment they made was racist.

I have not defended his comments, I have tried to understand them and understood why he was angry and what might make him say those things. I do not condone his comments and think they're disgusting.

I didn't say you defended his comments, I simply asked why you understood why he came out with them but you wouldn't have the same understanding if his comments had been racist or homophobic

Difference with racism and homophobia is that the definitions of them and what would constitute racism and homophobia are different.

Absolutely disagree

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

This is the article
https://poptopic.com.au/rumour/amber...7tYgGjGZQyGPks

Yeah that's the one I read, it doesn't really give any details other than what he paid women to do (one of them Amber herself) can't see how she could blackmail him over something she did?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

This is the article
https://poptopic.com.au/rumour/amber...7tYgGjGZQyGPks

Mmmm check out a few of the other ‘stories’ .. .




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[Niamh.]

What I'm trying to say Thomas is yes the comment was directed at 1 woman he clearly has massive issues with but as TS said earlier, it isn't that I don't understand that people get angry and can say nasty things about a person they're angry with, but it was the specific words he used ie. his whole attack was focused on her sex rather than her being a terrible person which then makes it offensive to women in general, am I making any sense?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that's the one I read, it doesn't really give any details other than what he paid women to do (one of them Amber herself) can't see how she could blackmail him over something she did?

That's true. She would be exposed as well.
I suppose it depends what it is.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Mmmm check out a few of the other ‘stories’ .. .




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Which one?
The Sun photoshopped Amber picture? I knew that already. That's not a shock for me at all.

[Vanessa]

Guys, Amber just admitted she wrote the OP about Johnny! On cross examination! Wow

[Alf]

Where are you watching it? Is it live on YouTube?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Alf

Where are you watching it? Is it live on YouTube?

Not today, because I'm travelling. I'm on twitter.
People who are there have been posting about it.

[Vanessa]

It is available to watch on YouTube.
Quite fascinating. I love watching trials.

[Alf]

Just talking heads talking at the moment so I assume it's over for today?

Youtube video

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Alf

Just talking heads talking at the moment so I assume it's over for today?

Youtube video

I think so.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Which one?
The Sun photoshopped Amber picture? I knew that already. That's not a shock for me at all.

There’s a few dodgy stories on that same website.. like “ Kendall Kardashian nearly chopped her fingers off making dinner “

Just seem like nonsense storylines


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[Vanessa]

I think Johnny may have won the case with that last cross.
Camilla was fantastic!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Zizu

There’s a few dodgy stories on that same website.. like “ Kendall Kardashian nearly chopped her fingers off making dinner “

Just seem like nonsense storylines


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I hope you're right. Surely Elon Musk is smarter than this?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by arista

Kate Moss was great
proving Amber talks utter rubbish.

AH has made a total fool of herself .
I'm glad KM came through & testified .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

AH has made a total fool of herself .
I'm glad KM came through & testified .

Not Amber admitting she wrote the OP about Johnny. Shw cracked under cross

[rusticgal]

Been watching her on the stand….talk about flit from one extreme to another. One minute she is playing the victim…creasing her face up with extreme emotion…but no tears …..then came the defiant bitch when cross examined.

[parmnion]

I've been watching johnny on the stand disrespecting the court and everyone in it with his bull**** games.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Been watching her on the stand….talk about flit from one extreme to another. One minute she is playing the victim…creasing her face up with extreme emotion…but no tears …..then came the defiant bitch when cross examined.

She just admitted the op was about Johnny!
This may be the only time she ever told the truth

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've been watching johnny on the stand disrespecting the court and everyone in it with his bull**** games.

I agree….He was has shown moments of arrogance and disrespect especially when I saw him in the stand yesterday…