[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Alf

Madness so you can purchase a rifle or shot gun, but you can't purchase a hand gun

Wtf.

It's Texas though so what you expect. They still allow the death penalty

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Madness so you can purchase a rifle or shot gun, but you can't purchase a hand gun

Wtf.

It's Texas though so what you expect. They still allow the death penalty

Thankfully the shooter already got the death penalty so he won't be able to play call of duty in jail and brag about what he did to inmates and TV crews

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I heard he lived with his mum and stepdad

(I was wrong about this, he did live with his grandparents, but he also had a mum and stepdad)

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

(I was wrong about this, he did live with his grandparents, but he also had a mum and stepdad)

I heard his mother was a Junkie. He shot his grandmother didn't he?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

I heard his mother was a Junkie. He shot his grandmother didn't he?

I hadn't heard of his mother being a junkie, but yeah he shot his granny. Allegedly over an argument about wifi?! Without having looked into it I'd guess someone online made that up to be funny and it got Chinese Whispered into the narrative?
But the truck belonged to his grandparents.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I hadn't heard of his mother being a junkie, but yeah he shot his granny. Allegedly over an argument about wifi?! Without having looked into it I'd guess someone online made that up to be funny and it got Chinese Whispered into the narrative?
But the truck belonged to his grandparents.

When did he shoot his grandmother ?


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Zizu

When did he shoot his grandmother ?


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Youtube video

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

When did he shoot his grandmother ?


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Before heading to the school, and apparently after an altercation of some kind.

[Mystic Mock]

This guy sounds really messed up.

For me I wonder what made this guy come to the conclusion to shoot up a School, even for some real twisted individuals out there this would be seen as an horrific act.

So what made him break? Like Trey Sesler's shooting years ago, this is a fascinating case in a morbid but different way.

[arista]

There is a Great Deal of anger at the Police
who took too long to arrive,
and left the killer in a classroom
who was shooting each child one by one.

It was not blocked off.


CNN HD

Also Some Doors in the School , were meant to be locked
they were not.


[Uvalde shooting: Texas school gunman 'walked in unobstructed']
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61600914

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

It's almost quaint to see a gunman who's just disturbed, without any apparent agenda or anything...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's almost quaint to see a gunman who's just disturbed, without any apparent agenda or anything...

Apparent agenda no but clear path to extremism, absolutely. "Isolated young men online making rape threats/violent revenge fantasies" is what modern extremism looks like, and is increasingly the profile of what amounts to terrorism. We had one of these in the UK just last year, near identical, although he didn't target a school.

Look at the messages he's sending and the rhetoric used. This guy has been 100% sucked into the violent, frustrated "manosphere" and radicalised by it. It's an absolutely massive problem and it's going nowhere until the world actually takes off the blinkers and realises what they're looking at. It's going to keep happening. It's not about gun laws or mental health service improvements, it's online indoctrination to a new form of extremism... full stop.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Apparent agenda no but clear path to extremism, absolutely. "Isolated young men online making rape threats/violent revenge fantasies" is what modern extremism looks like, and is increasingly the profile of what amounts to terrorism. We had one of these in the UK just last year, near identical, although he didn't target a school.

Look at the messages he's sending and the rhetoric used. This guy has been 100% sucked into the violent, frustrated "manosphere" and radicalised by it. It's an absolutely massive problem and it's going nowhere until the world actually takes off the blinkers and realises what they're looking at. It's going to keep happening. It's not about gun laws or mental health service improvements, it's online indoctrination to a new form of extremism... full stop.

I don't think the numbers add up for that to be the main cause. I hear over 80% of these school shootings come from people who have come from broken families. That's a concerning number. The increase in school shootings has risen dramatically since the 1990s when the divorce rate really took off to what it was before then. A lack of a father figure in the home stands out in most of these cases.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't think the numbers add up for that to be the main cause. I hear over 80% of these school shootings come from people who have come from broken families. That's a concerning number. The increase in school shootings has risen dramatically since the 1990s when the divorce rate really took off to what it was before then. A lack of a father figure in the house in most cases stands out in most of these cases.

It's all part of the same thing though Alf, the people you''re describing are particularly vulnerable to being taken in by these violent/extreme online groups and ideologies. Frustrated young people from broken homes, lacking in role models, easily taken under the wing of "big bro"-type figures who will validate their feelings of anger and frustration at the world and nudge them towards channeling it in more specific ways. Nihilism. Blackpilling. Male power fantasies/violence/rape/murder.

This used to be niche/mainly confined to places like Reddit but now it is absolutely ****ing everywhere. All over mainstream social media like Twitter and TikTok, really snowballing in the last few months.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's almost quaint to see a gunman who's just disturbed, without any apparent agenda or anything...

I am sure
from his own Computer/Laptop they
will find an Evil Connection.


He went for an Easy Target no one to fight him
little kids shot one by one.


As Stupid Police
stayed outside????????


It is Good the Killer was shot dead
just stupid of the Police to not get in their faster


They are saying he entered via an Un Locked door?


Such a Stink on this whole case

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

They are saying he entered via an Un Locked door?


Such a Stink on this whole case

I don't think that's massively unusual. In Scotland (since the Dunblane shooting) it became mandatory that primary schools only have one primary entrance point (with an "air lock" so anyone coming in has to be allowed in by staff) and all other doors should be inaccessible from the outside at all times.

...at my daughter's school, the fire exits were constantly propped open with chairs during summer. Anyone could have jumped the fence (only waist height) and walked right into the classrooms.

[arista]

"I don't think that's massively unusual."



In USA Schools all doors are meant to be Locked
They enforced that ruling,
after so many other School Killers got in.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's all part of the same thing though Alf, the people you''re describing are particularly vulnerable to being taken in by these violent/extreme online groups and ideologies. Frustrated young people from broken homes, lacking in role models, easily taken under the wing of "big bro"-type figures who will validate their feelings of anger and frustration at the world and nudge them towards channeling it in more specific ways. Nihilism. Blackpilling. Male power fantasies/violence/rape/murder.

This used to be niche/mainly confined to places like Reddit but now it is absolutely ****ing everywhere. All over mainstream social media like Twitter and TikTok, really snowballing in the last few months.

But I assume the amount of people using online groups is in the millions, while the numbers of people acting out on things like School shootings is nowhere even close to near that, it's probably less than the hundreds. So that would say that most people can control themselves. The television and the rhetoric of TV personalities and politicians would be just as influential if not more influential than people chatting with each other online. I'm not saying it's not a problem in some cases but I don't think it's nowhere near the main problem.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think that's massively unusual. In Scotland (since the Dunblane shooting) it became mandatory that primary schools only have one primary entrance point (with an "air lock" so anyone coming in has to be allowed in by staff) and all other doors should be inaccessible from the outside at all times.

...at my daughter's school, the fire exits were constantly propped open with chairs during summer. Anyone could have jumped the fence (only waist height) and walked right into the classrooms.

Exactly...if you want to get into a school...you can get into one with little difficulty. A locked is no deterrant.

[arista]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Exactly...if you want to get into a school...you can get into one with little difficulty. A locked is no deterrant.

In the USA a Locked door
would have stopped him.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

In the USA a Locked door
would have stopped him.

Didn't he shoot at the windows....he could have got in that way. He could shoot the lock out....a locked gate/door is a deterrent thats all.

[arista]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Didn't he shoot at the windows....he could have got in that way. He could shoot the lock out....a locked gate/door is a deterrent thats all.

The Windows would give a Great warning

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

The time for gun reform may well be long overdue - but guns are so deeply embedded in American culture that tightening up a few laws just won't work. Despite their impotent bluster, even the Dems don't really want to do it.

(Not saying nothing should be done, but it would be a long and hard road)