[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here’s another counter, though I’d suggest not testing it out:

Consider how fast a bottle would have to be moving to make a literal whooshing sound as it passes your head. Is his story that she fired it out of a cannon?

The whoosh is an illustrator. I dont see the point you're making

EDIT:I think we're talking at cross purposes. I'm talking about illustrators ie the tools we use to tell a story. Some people call it talking with your hands. You seem to be talking literally. Of course the bottle didn't go whoosh. Its an illustrator

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This was not a criminal trial by the way - “let an abuser off the hook”? Amber Heard has not been found guilty of abusing Johnny Depp, no matter what the zeitgeist is feeding you. The verdict even if taken as correct says she committed libel by accusing HIM of domestic abuse. It says NOTHING AT ALL about any accusations against her.

I’d accuse of gold digging, bare faced lying , ridiculously poor acting and I’d also suggest that she has , single handedly , damaged the # Me Too movement tremendously by her ridiculous lies , exaggerations and accusations .


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He's still drinking then? I thought he was sober now?

Only a few.
After working at a Cool Gig
with Jeff Beck Band
who has a Great Female Drummer

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Only a few.
After working at a Cool Gig
with Jeff Beck Band
who has a Great Female Drummer

I'm sure that's how it works if you're an alcoholic

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sure that's how it works if you're an alcoholic

Harsh on him.

[AnnieK]

This article pretty much sums it all up. #Metoo has been irreparably ruined and women now have considerably less freedom of speech when it comes to abuse. It harks back to the days when the police would tell women they couldn't do anything to stop abuse until we were beaten black and blue. Sad times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...metoo-backlash

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

Harsh on him.

How it harsh? He is not clean and sober...how long till the mask slips again and someone else sees the "monster" (his words) within?

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

How it harsh? He is not clean and sober...how long till the mask slips again and someone else sees the "monster" (his words) within?

He won the Case.


Likewise, he is a Professional Actor
and sometimes a Musician/Singer

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This article pretty much sums it all up. #Metoo has been irreparably ruined and women now have considerably less freedom of speech when it comes to abuse. It harks back to the days when the police would tell women they couldn't do anything to stop abuse until we were beaten black and blue. Sad times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...metoo-backlash

what is sad about justice in action?

[Liam-]

Lies aren’t protected by freedom of speech, let’s all remember that shall we

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

He won the Case.


Likewise, he is a Professional Actor
and sometimes a Musician/Singer

And? He's not sober if he's downing 6 cans of stella

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The whoosh is an illustrator. I dont see the point you're making

EDIT:I think we're talking at cross purposes. I'm talking about illustrators ie the tools we use to tell a story. Some people call it talking with your hands. You seem to be talking literally. Of course the bottle didn't go whoosh. Its an illustrator

You’re talking about illustrators that would be used, for example, by people giving a lecture or a talk for an audience?

Which would be rehearsed?

[Liam-]

The response to the verdict is very telling though, that people who have had malicious lies told about them, shouldn’t do anything to clear their name and just sit back and allow it to happen, because it does too much damage to women to prove a woman has lied about you, scary times to live in.

Giving big ‘man up and take one for the team’ energy

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You’re talking about illustrators that would be used, for example, by people giving a lecture or a talk for an audience?

Which would be rehearsed?

True but remember Heard should have been prepped and rehearsed too. Heards illustrators are all over the place. Hence why Depp is more believable.

Its not absolute but we can say with a some certainty that Depp is reaching into himself to find how to describe the story, rehearsed or not, while Heard is completely directionless and seem to use inappropriate expressions to convey disgust/anger. Expressions that are not consistent with her baseline. Indicating distress or possible deception.

[Toy Soldier]

All the TiBB MRA’s suddenly crawling out of the woodwork now that there’s a verdict is really something to behold. Shameful. Unsurprising, but shameful.

Any one with half an ounce of awareness knows at the very least that Johnny Depp is an aggressive drunk (you’ve seen the videos) and has a history of violence (documented assaults and fights when he’s been drinking) and that it’s very, very likely there was violence in their relationship. It’s a proven fact that there was aggression and verbal abuse. So I can only assume the people out puffing trumpets for him have some reason to be doing so. Sad littlemen who felt “threatened” by important things like MeToo and have been sobbing “not all men” into their pillow for a couple of years, desperate for something like this to latch onto.

Well congratulations, here it is, you did it, Johnny Depp has arrived with his six cans of Stella; messiah of the MRA backlash. You did it guys. Yay!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

True but remember Heard should have been prepped and rehearsed too. Heards illustrators are all over the place. Hence why Depp is more believable.

Its not absolute but we can say with a some certainty that Depp is reaching into himself to find how to describe the story, rehearsed or not, while Heard is completely directionless and seem to use inappropriate expressions to convey disgust/anger. Expressions that are not consistent with her baseline. Indicating distress or possible deception.

I’m just going to say again that this is the sort of pop psychology you get on reality TV shows - it’s absolute rot. Utter claptrap that so-called “body language experts” peddle. Snake oil. You can’t tell who is telling the truth from these sort of indicators, they mean literally nothing.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Ben going live on this in 7 minutes

Youtube video

[Toy Soldier]

Hey look Liam, you’re on Ben Shapiro’s side. an ally king

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’m just going to say again that this is the sort of pop psychology you get on reality TV shows - it’s absolute rot. Utter claptrap that so-called “body language experts” peddle. Snake oil. You can’t tell who is telling the truth from these sort of indicators, they mean literally nothing.

I'd disagree.

I get the impression that you didn't see much of the testimony. Some of this stuff is obvious and occurs to you ass you're watching. So the pop-psychology rant is way off the mark.

Its OK to be angry about what this case will do to MeToo but in terms of the testimony, Heard was awful.

I'm actually surprised Depp won so emphatically. Actual Malice is almost impossible to prove but the jury saw all the testimony and some of it was awful for Heard.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This article pretty much sums it all up. #Metoo has been irreparably ruined and women now have considerably less freedom of speech when it comes to abuse. It harks back to the days when the police would tell women they couldn't do anything to stop abuse until we were beaten black and blue. Sad times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...metoo-backlash

All due to her crazy lies and crying Wolf ?


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[arista]

"I'm actually surprised Depp won so emphatically."

GiRTh

A USA Lady Reporter said Amber did not Cry proper,
that affected the whole case..........................

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I'd disagree.

I get the impression that you didn't see much of the testimony. Some of this stuff is obvious and occurs to you ass you're watching. So the pop-psychology rant is way off the mark.

Its OK to be angry about what this case will do to MeToo but in terms of the testimony, Heard was awful.

I'm actually surprised Depp won so emphatically. Actual Malice is almost impossible to prove but the jury saw all the testimony and some of it was awful for Heard.

I saw pretty much all of it. I guess the difference is that I do have qualifications, and my wife has high level qualifications, so I can see through someone who happens to be a good orator vs someone who is unfortunately messy. A trial like this should never be decided on who put on the better show and that’s why a domestic violence case should not be decided by a layperson jury - but that’s the US for you. Abusers are often charismatic. Victims are often disorganised. Juries are often duped. Most abusers never face consequences, as a statistical fact.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I saw pretty much all of it. I guess the difference is that I do have qualifications, and my wife has high level qualifications, so I can see through someone who happens to be a good orator vs someone who is unfortunately messy. A trial like this should never be decided on who put on the better show and that’s why a domestic violence case should not be decided by a layperson jury - but that’s the US for you. Abusers are often charismatic. Victims are often disorganised. Juries are often duped. Most abusers never face consequences, as a statistical fact.

Yeah if only Depp had some witnesses to corroborate his side of things ... and if only AH had at least ONE decent witness to back her up ..

We won’t count her sister


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[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here’s another counter, though I’d suggest not testing it out:

Consider how fast a bottle would have to be moving to make a literal whooshing sound as it passes your head. Is his story that she fired it out of a cannon?

This was my first thought as well.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yeah if only Depp had some witnesses to corroborate his side of things ... and if only AH had at least ONE decent witness to back her up ..

We won’t count her sister


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There are no first hand witnesses (nor are there any suggested first hand witnesses) to any of the actual alleged incidents of violence because, as with most domestic abuse, the violence happens when they’re alone. All of Depp’s witnesses were to circumstantial things, or payroll expert witnesses (part of his legal team).

Did you imagine there would be witnesses to say “oh yes I saw him being abusive all the time”? Who would have seen that?