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[Kizzy]

How's this conservative led post brexit Britain looking?...
Where's farage? ...where's Tommy robinson? Where's Katie hopkins. ..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How's this conservative led post brexit Britain looking?...
Where's Farage? ...where's Tommy robinson? Where's Katie hopkins. ..

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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Who is that helping?... nobody that I can see except the energy providers.

All its doing is giving a little funding back to local councils that was removed by central govt a few years ago.
And the extra we had to pay which they cleverly suggested was for adult social care is removed again.
Energy is privatised and so is social care... why are we subsidising them.

[bitontheslide]

its an unfair system. It's saying people in bigger houses can afford the rise more than anyone else, which is blatantly untrue

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

its an unfair system. It's saying people in bigger houses can afford the rise more than anyone else, which is blatantly untrue

To be fair... It isn't untrue for the most part, IN GENERAL people in higher council tax bands are going to have higher household income and can probably afford the CURRENT increases. There will obviously be exceptions so yes I think there should be an appeals/discretionary process for those whose CT band doesn't match their income reality.

However.

IMO they should rethink Council Tax altogether.


Also it still doesn't help the lowest income families because they will be on 100% Council tax benefit already. So a council tax cut saves them... Zero...

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

That paper always says the weather going to be bad can nit trust it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair... It isn't untrue for the most part, IN GENERAL people in higher council tax bands are going to have higher household income and can probably afford the CURRENT increases. There will obviously be exceptions so yes I think there should be an appeals/discretionary process for those whose CT band doesn't match their income reality.

However.

IMO they should rethink Council Tax altogether.


Also it still doesn't help the lowest income families because they will be on 100% Council tax benefit already. So a council tax cut saves them... Zero...

I think there are many more people in higher council tax band on lower or fixed incomes due to the huge jump in housing cost over the last 20yrs.
In my area houses that were 70k in 99 are 250k today.

Also in cute villages the cost of homes has rocketed due to city dwellers buying up 2nd homes.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 100% council tax exemptions. .. don't they pay £125?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think there are many more people in higher council tax band on lower or fixed incomes due to the huge jump in housing cost over the last 20yrs.

In my area houses that were 70k in 99 are 250k today.



Also in cute villages the cost of homes has rocketed due to city dwellers buying up 2nd homes.



I didn't think there was such a thing as 100% council tax exemptions. .. don't they pay £125?

Council tax band isn't based on current house prices, it's (bizarrely) based on the value the property would have had if sold in 1991. That includes houses built after 1991... They assess new builds and make an estimate of what they would have been sold at 30 years ago. It's like they bodged the system together out of cardboard and tape... But for better or worse... That's genuinely how it works.

As for 100% exemptions I think that depends on what services are included... I know that when I was on the bennies in England we paid zero council tax (but had a separate water bill) whereas when we moved to Scotland we paid a small fixed amount of council tax because water services in Scotland are built into council tax, and you didn't get that part paid through housing benefit.

I don't really know the system these days as benefits were still all separate things back then, and it's all Universal Credit now.

I think there will definitely be people on low incomes who don't benefit from the council tax rebates (or any of the NI/income tax changes) but will still be hit with doubling energy bills.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Council tax band isn't based on current house prices, it's (bizarrely) based on the value the property would have had if sold in 1991. That includes houses built after 1991... They assess new builds and make an estimate of what they would have been sold at 30 years ago. It's like they bodged the system together out of cardboard and tape... But for better or worse... That's genuinely how it works.

As for 100% exemptions I think that depends on what services are included... I know that when I was on the bennies in England we paid zero council tax (but had a separate water bill) whereas when we moved to Scotland we paid a small fixed amount of council tax because water services in Scotland are built into council tax, and you didn't get that part paid through housing benefit.

I don't really know the system these days as benefits were still all separate things back then, and it's all Universal Credit now.

I think there will definitely be people on low incomes who don't benefit from the council tax rebates (or any of the NI/income tax changes) but will still be hit with doubling energy bills.

I think i see where the problem is TS. Thats not how it is in england. I'm in a band e house, that is nice, but nothing outstanding. All property was regraded in england in the semi recent past, 1991 prices have long gone here as a marker

[arista]

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[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes because of the war

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think i see where the problem is TS. Thats not how it is in england. I'm in a band e house, that is nice, but nothing outstanding. All property was regraded in england in the semi recent past, 1991 prices have long gone here as a marker

I 100% guarantee the way Council Tax bandings work is still based on 1991 valuations. The rebanding was to check that the houses still match the valuation in terms of improvements to the house or area i.e. things that would have increased the value of the property whenever they happened. Extensions, conversions, etc.

The bandings are still relative to the average. Overall house price increases across the board do not increase council tax board. There can be some more dramatic changes in cities (gentrification; areas that used to be considered "rough" now being more desireable because of city proximity) or transport links (a new motorway link can turn an isolated village into a city-worker suburb over night) but it's not because of house price inflation.

If there have been no other changes, a band A house that was worth £35k 20+ years ago and is now worth over £100k will still be Band A.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/understa...4d4f1bc1e380c6

One thing I have noticed though which is somewhat interesting, is that bands B and C seem to be exremely rare? Lots of Band A properties (flats, ex-council houses), and then it for the mostpart seems to jump straight to Band D/E .

[arista]

[The Chancellor's pledge that councils in England
would make a £150 payment
towards domestic energy bills "in April" has been
broken in some areas.
While some have paid, Radio 4's Money Box
has found many have not and the guidance
has changed to "from April".

The deadline for payment, which applies to
homes in council tax bands A-D, is September.

The government said councils were expected
to begin making payments as soon as
possible from April.
The deadline for payment,
which applies to homes in
council tax bands A-D, is September.]








[In Scotland councils have been told they
can give the £150 as a direct discount
off their council tax - and many have done that.
There is no council tax in Northern Ireland but the
executive there has been given money
to make the payments but that is held up
by the political uncertainty.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61270840


This is terrible for some people
that thought from April they will get £150

[arista]

BBC Text:
[State pensions and benefits are set to
rise in line with double-digit inflation,
the Telegraph reports,
despite the government telling rail workers
to accept cuts.
The paper says the Treasury confirmed on Tuesday
that the pension triple-lock would be
reinstated after it was paused
during the pandemic - taking the annual pay-out to
beyond £10,000.]

[arista]

[arista]

MPs will break for summer on July 22 and won't
return to Westminster until September 6.


Will Rishi give us a mini budget,
before Friday July 22nd?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

MPs will break for summer on July 22 and won't
return to Westminster until September 6.


Will Rishi give us a mini budget,
before Friday July 22nd?

It’s odd how the country just keeps on going year after year without them

They literally make no difference




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