[Liam-]

I’m afraid to say that at this point, they are very clearly putting their grief ahead of their sons dignity

[Kazanne]

Kate Garraway said this morning that she fought for her husband and look what happened there ,strange things happen in these circumstances sometimes, you just never know.

[arista]

"the lad is brain stem dead"


Has any ever come back from that?

[joeysteele]

Absolutely devastating and heartbreaking but I hold only admiration for the family trying to take on this Trust.

A much better way is needed to deal with these tragedies other than the Courts.

I'll never understand why even despite the apparent hopelessness of the case.
Why the UN appeal route couldn't have been seen through.
For both of the Trust and family.

As the one last avenue of even just for the family to be sure.
Because clearly the family have now no faith in the Trust.
Plus now they're likely feeling there's no justice for ordinary families in this situation against the powerful machinery of Hospitals and Trusts.

Heartbreaking for the parents and family.
That ALL their pleas are dismissed by Trusts and backed up by a legal system that seems inadequate.

I do understand this is a hopeless and tragic situation for Archie.
Whatever the rights and wrongs may be deemed to be.
However for me, his parents are his parents, they are his next of kin.
When he cannot speak for himself, they are his voice.

To override that in my view is cruelty.
The cruelty to his family is now to be severely increased further.

Bless Archie on this heartbreaking tragic end to his life.
My heart too goes out to his family.
My admiration for their efforts is immeasurable.
I hope they can come to terms with this tragedy and one day get to grieve as near is possibly able for them to.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Kate Garraway said this morning that she fought for her husband and look what happened there ,strange things happen in these circumstances sometimes, you just never know.

not when someone is brain stem dead Kaz, that is the last place you will see life as someone passes. If there is no life there, then it's over. They have all sorts of specialised equipment for testing, it's not something that is ever in doubt and it is always final

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Kate Garraway said this morning that she fought for her husband and look what happened there ,strange things happen in these circumstances sometimes, you just never know.

Her husband wasn’t dead

[LeatherTrumpet]

A person who's brain dead is legally confirmed as dead.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

not when someone is brain stem dead Kaz, that is the last place you will see life as someone passes. If there is no life there, then it's over. They have all sorts of specialised equipment for testing, it's not something that is ever in doubt and it is always final

Yeah she said she never actually faced the question but had prepared for the fight but said she had questioned whether she would be fighting for him or herself.

I hope to God never to have to face such a thing or anyone I know....watching a loved one pass its brutal and devastating but I don't know how you come back from it being your kid. I know people do get through it, buts its something I wouldn't wish on anyone

[arista]

['They're executing my child': Archie Battersbee's
mother vows to 'fight to the bitter end' after
Supreme Court judges' 'shameful' decision to allow
medics to turn off life support of her 'brain dead' 12-year-old son]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tched-off.html

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

not when someone is brain stem dead Kaz, that is the last place you will see life as someone passes. If there is no life there, then it's over. They have all sorts of specialised equipment for testing, it's not something that is ever in doubt and it is always final

It's awful for the family they must be clinging to everything, If he is brain stem dead I guess there is no hope but as a parent it would be so hard to accept.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

['They're executing my child': Archie Battersbee's
mother vows to 'fight to the bitter end' after
Supreme Court judges' 'shameful' decision to allow
medics to turn off life support of her 'brain dead' 12-year-old son]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tched-off.html

They are not executing anyone. Language like that serves no purpose other than a salacious tabloid..

[bitontheslide]

As a very vulnerable person, she has been brainwashed by religious nutters. They need to be shut down so that they cant inflict this sort of pain on anyone else

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

The NHS doctors, chiefs and Judges who want this boy's life support turned off, are a disgrace.

The amount of money the NHS wastes every day is a crime in itself.

They say turn off the kid's life support. Basically, they're saying he doesn't matter. His life is worthless. But if he'd been someone like a Royal, life support would never be turned off.

There are loads of cases worldwide where people have thought to have 1% survival but have miraculously recovered.

It's all about money.

As I read back through this thread and came across this post of yours.

I have to say I agree with all of you say, particularly your 3rd points.


.

[bitontheslide]

people really aren't understanding that the poor lad is dead, he isn't in a coma, he can't recover

[Liam-]

Any abuse or harm that comes the way of the doctors and nurses who have no doubt worked their fingers to the bone to do everything in their power to help these people’s child, despite the medical outcome being what it is, will be the direct responsibility of this boys parents and the people behind the scenes hyping them up and deliberately feeding them false hope for their own agendas.

They need people to help them with their grief, not to fight a battle that’s already been lost.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people really aren't understanding that the poor lad is dead, he isn't in a coma, he can't recover

You can guarantee they haven’t even bothered to read about any of the facts of this poor boys condition, just another bandwagon to jump on, an obviously very sad and emotionally charged one, but a bandwagon all the same

[arista]

[arista]

Better times

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people really aren't understanding that the poor lad is dead, he isn't in a coma, he can't recover

Of course we do.
Those of us on the outside of this tragedy.

However it's fairly clear his Mother and family are in both shock at the tragedy that brought him to hospital.
Plus now they're told by hospital and courts they NEED to and MUST agree to take away what's keeping him breathing.

I have no idea how I'd feel in their tragic heartbreak but if I had a son, I'd want to be doing likely all they have tried to do.
No matter the hopelessness.

When you're in dep shock and emotional trauma, probably understanding isn't the strongest thing about anyone.
To criticise the Mother and family in their distress and shock only would add on more agony.
The timing needs to be right for both.
That's what it seems is NOT really being understood.

[Gusto Brunt]

It's murder in my eyes. It's simply not long enough since the accident on April 7th.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

It's murder in my eyes. It's simply not long enough since the accident on April 7th.

the boy is dead already, to use phrases like murder is absurd

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the boy is dead already, to use phrases like murder is absurd

Dead when they switch off life support.

[Liam-]

He’s already dead, the only thing keeping his heart beating is the machine, you can’t kill someone that is already dead, he’s been dead for months, his parents have been aware that he’s dead for months, they are stripping the poor boy of every ounce of dignity while they fight for their ‘right’ to not have to grieve, at this point, it’s selfish

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Dead when they switch off life support.

….because it’s only the life SUPPORT machine that is actually keeping him alive. If you cannot survive without a life support machine then you are dead. It’s tragic but it’s simple.
We can only hope he continues to breathe unaided…but I really think the experts know this is just not going to be the case. No professional Doctor would make this decision if there was a glimmer of hope

[arista]