[arista]

The Machine is due to be turned off
at 11AM today.

Unless another 9AM legal
court, can delay it.


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

The Machine is due to be turned off
at 11AM today.

Unless another 9AM legal
court, can delay it.


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The poor family having to go through this.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The poor family having to go through this.

An absolute living nightmare Mock.

Bless Archie as I said before.
I'll always though admire the family's efforts here.
While in shock and the emotional trauma they're in too.

His Mother gave birth and life to him.
How can she while in shock and deep emotional stress come to terms with this unless she was left believing she'd done everything possible.

I certainly won't condemn her.
If I'd been in Archie's condition as a child I've no doubt both my parents and family would have acted the same as Archie's.

This case is really tragic.
There needs to be much better ways to progress to anyone's final breath.
Than how this has gone.
Courts are bound by law not emotion.
Courts shouldn't be the way but hospitals and Trusts need to be more publicly accountable too.

So some other means of resolving deadlock on when life support ends, really needs looking at as to where time is given.
Not indefinite time but certainly more time for loved ones to accept and come to terms with the situation.

I know Trusts can be too clinical and even cold.
Not the medics but sadly the Trusts can often help fuel division not heal it.

[arista]

Again European Court
Delay.

No Turn Off
from his life support, today,


[Archie's mother said she was "relieved" the new application was made.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62403993

[Liam-]

Those Christian ‘lawyers’ and the media have a lot to answer for over this, taking advantage of a grieving family to push their own agendas, it’s sickening

[bitontheslide]

Some background on the CLC

Some people will not have come across the Christian Legal Centre (CLC) until the Alfie Evans case. Others will know something of their history. What the Alfie Evans case has done is cast light on what one might call the modus operandi of the CLC and some serious and pressing questions about the roles of those involved and, where they are actually lawyers, their professional ethics.

I don’t propose to comment on the desperately sad Alfie Evans case itself. The poor child has now died. One cannot attach any blame for what has happened to the parents, either. Faced with a tragic and appalling situation, it is hardly surprising that they would turn to any people who seemed to be offering possible alternatives.

Nor do I propose to comment on the political and religious views espoused by the CLC (and their ‘parent’, Christian Concern), save to note for anyone who has not encountered them that they are against the following: baking Gay cakes, being a gay couple staying in a B&B, abortion (in any circumstances), registrars having to conduct gay marriages, embryonic human stem cell research, being transexual (at any age), and for being able to wear visible religious jewellery in a job which required no visible jewellery. One suspects that if if they could find a legal argument for banning divorce or masturbation, no matter how poor the argument, the High Court would be being asked to rule.

But, on to the practice questions.

Who are CLC?

They are a private limited company. They are NOT a legal practice, or ABS. They are NOT a charity (so no loophole there).

[Update: The memorandum of association sets out the CLC are a non-profit company. There is therefore a question whether they can carry out reserved legal activities under the s.23 Legal Services Act 2007 exemption (which was intended for Law Centres and Trade Unions). As a side point, the memorandum states that the minimum number of directors required is two. As far as I can see, there has been only one director since 2013.]

The majority of shares/voting rights are held by Mrs Andrea Rose Minichiello Williams, who is also the sole director. She lists her occupation as ‘Barrister’. We’ll come back to that.

Why is this important? Well, it means that CLC have no right or ability whatsoever to act for or represent clients in litigation in the courts. (the issue might be a bit different in the tribunals, but we’ll leave that aside.)

There is a lot more on them at the link below, but they are basically dodgy af


https://nearlylegal.co.uk/2018/04/on...-legal-centre/

[Gusto Brunt]

I heard countries like Japan and Turkey have been in contact with the parents and they think they could help Archie.

It would be criminal if any UK court or doctor refused to send Archie out to another country for treatment.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I heard countries like Japan and Turkey have been in contact with the parents and they think they could help Archie.

It would be criminal if any UK court or doctor refused to send Archie out to another country for treatment.

turkey? the only thing they could do is get him some Turkey teeth so he can die with a smile.

[bitontheslide]

If Japan can truly bring the dead back to life, I can see them being in very high demand in the future

[Liam-]

Even if they decided to do the trip to ‘help’ him, he wouldn’t make the trip, there is nothing anybody can do for him, the medical evidence shows that his brain is completely, irreversibly dead, his organs are shutting down, his parents and the media are purposefully misrepresenting this poor boys prognosis, he is already dead, the abuse his body is being put through now because of his parents is completely selfish and unfair, it’s time to start treating him with the respect he deserves in death

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

An absolute living nightmare Mock.

Bless Archie as I said before.
I'll always though admire the family's efforts here.
While in shock and the emotional trauma they're in too.

His Mother gave birth and life to him.
How can she while in shock and deep emotional stress come to terms with this unless she was left believing she'd done everything possible.

I certainly won't condemn her.
If I'd been in Archie's condition as a child I've no doubt both my parents and family would have acted the same as Archie's.

This case is really tragic.
There needs to be much better ways to progress to anyone's final breath.
Than how this has gone.
Courts are bound by law not emotion.
Courts shouldn't be the way but hospitals and Trusts need to be more publicly accountable too.

So some other means of resolving deadlock on when life support ends, really needs looking at as to where time is given.
Not indefinite time but certainly more time for loved ones to accept and come to terms with the situation.

I know Trusts can be too clinical and even cold.
Not the medics but sadly the Trusts can often help fuel division not heal it.

I agree with you 100% Joey.

I also think whoever started this challenge needs to be investigated by the Police.

[arista]

Thank You bots

For posting the background of the Religion CLC.

[arista]

European Court of Human Rights
has denied the Battersbee family appeal.

[arista]

[The European Court of Human Rights
says it will not interfere with the decisions
of the national courts to allow the withdrawal
of Archie Battersbee's life-sustaining treatment.]

https://news.sky.com/story/european-...pport-12665026

[arista]

Archie's Life Support Machine
is now due to start turning off at 11AM.

[joeysteele]

I do hope the Court does one thing more compassionately and rule the family can have Archie in a Hospice for the end of this tragic heartbreaking situation.

To FORCE his Parents and family to have to see him go in this Hospital which has brought such hurt and emotional stress to them.
Would in my view be a gross act of cruelty.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I do hope the Court does one thing more compassionately and rule the family can have Archie in a Hospice for the end of this tragic heartbreaking situation.

To FORCE his Parents and family to have to see him go in this Hospital which has brought such hurt and emotional stress to them.
Would in my view be a gross act of cruelty.

I hope so too. I guess a lot will ride on if they can stabilise him enough to move him. It could be traumatic for the family if he were to pass on the journey.

Hospice care is amazing and so much more comfortable for everyone.

Such a heartbreaking time for the whole family, my heart breaks for them

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I hope so too. I guess a lot will ride on if they can stabilise him enough to move him. It could be traumatic for the family if he were to pass on the journey.

Hospice care is amazing and so much more comfortable for everyone.

Such a heartbreaking time for the whole family, my heart breaks for them

Yes I agree Annie.

Hospice care and also attitude to the loved ones too, is a much more compassionate and in my view appropriately right environment at these tragic and heartbreaking losses of vital members of families.

I can well understand Archie's Parents and Family wanting him now away from that place.

[arista]

No Hospice
it is too dangerous to move him,
The pipe in his throat is damaging him.


A Doctor has reported.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No Hospice
it is too dangerous to move him,
The pipe in his throat is damaging him.


A Doctor has reported.

Is that the DOCTORS and hospital view or has the Court ruled yet ??
I'd better put the news on and catch up.

No surprise that this Hospital would be trying to block any move anywhere after recent events.

They're going to remove it anyhow.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Is that the DOCTORS and hospital view or has the Court ruled yet ??
I'd better put the news on and catch up.

No surprise that this Hospital would be trying to block any move anywhere after recent events.

They're going to remove it anyhow.

I do not think a High Court
can agree on his safety and care.


The Doctors & the Hospital
are above that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

I do not think a High Court
can agree on his safety and care.


The Doctors & the Hospital
are above that.

Nonsense.

I'm watching GB news now.
The presenter who had her husband suffer a sports injury to the brain.
Has said 4 months is NOT a long period re brain injuries.

That's right.

Why are the Hospital not being more understanding rather than being always obstructive.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nonsense.

I'm watching GB news now.
The presenter who had her husband suffer a sports injury to the brain.
Has said 4 months is NOT a long period re brain injuries.

That's right.

Why are the Hospital not being more understanding rather than being always obstructive.

Yes Great Story they have
but in the case of this 12 year old
is not the same.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Great Story they have
but in the case of this 12 year old
is not the same.

It's not that wildly different either.

[Liam-]

Archie hasn’t got a brain injury, his brain is literally dead, the scenarios are completely different, read the court documents that describe, in vivid detail, this boys medical status, the poor kid is being treated like a bloody show pony at this point, it’s about time people put his dignity ahead of everything else