[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

As quick examples, he whipped the party to abstain on the most of the freedom restricting bills the tories introduced (protest/crime), and he's scrapped every single one of the 10 pledges he used to get elected as leader.

He's scrapped his energy nationalisation pledge, which would cost £2-5billion, in favour of freezing prices and paying energy companies over £30billion instead, besides the only policy he's offered being a reduction of business taxes.

He stands against workers, and gives interviews to the sun when saying he never would.

Okay yeah, most of that is pretty damning

But the Sun thing? I don't really see why trying to reach working class people should be a problem? Sure he said he never would, but politicians do things they say they wouldn't, or vice versa, all the time.

[joeysteele]

I can take Starmer's point that unless you win power then you cannot do anything.
So I accept it has to be at least seen to be, if not to actually do so, that after 2 election defeats on virtual identical manifestos to be going back to the drawing board.

However going back to the drawing board should not necessarily mean you dispose of the more popular policies of said manifestos.

Starmer really infuriates me, he needs to stop the controlled lawyer summing up type of his delivery and get policies he can show real passion for.

I'm annoyed he pussyfoots around the current strikes issues.
He SHOULD lead properly and say he backs them.

Furthermore, one of the most popular policies Corbyn DARED to include again in a Labour manifesto.
Re-nationalisation of gas and electricity.
It is now reported that even Con voters now support this more than not.

His short term fix of freezing the energy cap for 6 months is a good one, that would get all through the Winter months.
Which is also a Lib Dem strongly supported idea of theirs too.

Then decide what to do next in assessing the picture post April.

However he needs a long term policy and this is where the re-nationalisation of energy is a much more than likely now winner.
He should not act like he's ashamed of that policy from the last 2 elections because it was the one most popular from Labour even in 2017.
I think it would be even moreso now.

So for goodness sake Labour MPs, shake Starmer into reality and persuade him this could and should be his firm way to power now.
Andy Burnham has indicated his support to it.

Just wake up Starmer for goodness sake.
Oh and IF he was to adopt a PR policy too, he'd likely walk an election.

I really find Starmer as leader infuriating that he says he's pragmatic on nationalisation.
Just take it back on board and stop the avoidance of its merits.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was asking why a labour leader acting like a tory, is a problem for another tory. I didn't understand why not supporting strikes would make her highlight it as an issue.

I was just repeating that he wouldn't join the strikes Slim, which Labour think he should do, As a Tory(now) I don't like strikes, but if he wants to be a Labour PM,surely he should be following their policies.

[joeysteele]

He should be backing the strikers and workers.
He shouldn't either be taking action against his MPs who do say they support them and also actively do so.

If Liz Gross sets out to limit workers rights or even shockingly sets out to prevent them.
Starmer would then be screaming, rightly, how undemocratic and against human rights that was.
Yet he has at best shown less than lukewarm sympathy with the very just grievances these workers have.
Of which they've been pushed to the limits on and taken strike action.

If the party the Unions helped bring into existence hasn't a leader who will stand with them then that's really bad and WRONG.

[bitontheslide]

It's a difficult one, Keir was always going to be seen as unexciting compared to Boris, but its going to be a totally different dynamic against Liz or Rushi. The odds must still favour a labour government at the next election as long as Keir remains steady

[arista]

Bless Owen
doing his Starmer Labour research
in that store

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one's focused on Jones, nor do they take him seriously.

It is a great Clip
Anger played Direct to Starmer
On the Screen in the ITN studio
for Live Ch5HD J. Vine and Starmer
for 25mins

Who Ignores Owen


I hope Starmer does the same show again
Vine invited him back.