[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not defending it because the last line is not something to make public if that's what she feels. She is, however, clearly talking about the institution, which is valid. We're not really taught the true history of this country and it's empire. What we did to India and Africa in particular will never be fully understood by most; even though most think they do understand it. To this day, everyone still makes jokes about the Irish and potatoes (not calling anyone out, I do it myself), which shows how cleansed and unserious our history has become. We lost around 1-1.3 million troops in both world wars, but killed over a million Irish people in 6 years because why not?

That doesn't mean that we should all be saying hail Marys every night for our sins to be forgiven; because they were the sins of our fathers, not us, but what happened then was barbarism and cruelty, and the crown still represents that in many parts of the world. As a nation, we still hold a grudge against Germany, and now imagine what they did in Europe for 5-10 years they did to only us, and not for a decade, but for a couple of hundred years. Imagine the resentment and anger that would exist within our national psyche. That's how people have a right to feel about us.

Can’t really disagree. I think it all boils down to the fact that there are some things to make public (as far as personal prerogative goes) and some things to keep to oneself. The last sentence falls under the latter.

[LeatherTrumpet]

hopefully, this will end her career

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

hopefully, this will end her career

Again, I don’t think it should come to that but one way or another she does need to face-up to the seriousness of what she said.

[bitontheslide]

There are ways of putting any argument and doing it to inflame isn't going to result in a sympathetic response

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There are ways of putting any argument and doing it to inflame isn't going to result in a sympathetic response

She wouldn't have gotten a sympathetic response no matter how she put it let's be real

[LeatherTrumpet]

no doubt, as with a lot of these "tweets" she would have been pished when she did it or on something else

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no doubt, as with a lot of these "tweets" she would have been pished when she did it or on something else

She was stone-cold sober, trust-me.

[Redway]

Maybe the title I gave was a bit of a misnomer because a lot of Britain’s history (the type they certainly don’t teach in schools) is shameful and it goes without-saying that I’m pretty hot on racism and whatnot so I’m the last person to want people to censor their views on history per se but it has to be directed at the appropriate source/s, not an old lady who literally had no choice to remain impartial to whatever the monarchical pieties of her respective time/s requested her do. People should not-have been directing death-wishes to her under any circumstances, not if she wasn’t-actually Hitler or Bin-Laden.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Redway

She was stone-cold sober, trust-me.

she sounds like a vile person

nasty

[The Slim Reaper]

A little old lady that wore a diamond worth over £400m on the top of her silly hat, that was stolen from Africa.

[Liam-]

Wait, do we like cancel culture now?

[Cherie]

Speaking just from personal experience I dont think English people hold a grudge against Germans apart from at football, as an Irish person whilst history should never be forgotton, and terrible fates were bestowed on those thought of as peasants by the Aristocracy, times have moved on I would in the main consider England to be an ally of the Republic and they bend over backwards to stay on friendly terms as an example, during covid the Irish could travel freely to England with no issue, it was not the same for people living in England travelling to Ireland who had to test, I hope the Northern Irish protocol does not upset relations because we have been on friendly terms for years now again apart from Sport and long may that remain, history has its place but we should not live in the past, it is not very healthy

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A little old lady that wore a diamond worth over £400m on the top of her silly hat, that was stolen from Africa.

like the silly hats in yer wee gif?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

like the silly hats in yer wee gif?

An even sillier hat than those.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

An even sillier hat than those.

Still at least our Monarchs dont look like the Grand Wizard

[The Slim Reaper]

Every cloud

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Still at least our Monarchs dont look like the Grand Wizard

We love a papal hat

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

hopefully, this will end her career

As I said when I shared her tweet, it would be a crying shame if she faced professional repercussions for the tweet. Idiocy on Twitter ending jobs isn't a good thing no matter who it happens to.

Short of calling for violence people should be free to say what they want.

Her Uni agrees - I don't have the quote to hand, but a tweet of theirs distanced themselves from what she said, while defending her right to say it.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Personally I just see it that she brought shame onto herself rather than onto the black community.

I hope that most people on here will agree with me on that at least.

Sure, I always think everyone represents themselves, rather than the census boxes they'd tick.

[LeatherTrumpet]

It's not a view or opinion it's venomous hate speech
Huge difference

[Redway]

Off-topic slightly but I honestly-thought the queen would make 100.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Wait, do we like cancel culture now?

Personally no I don't.

I think it's one of them, let her express her views, but people that don't agree with her can also express what they think of her comments.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

I agree with this and just to say as well, Nelson Mandela is mentioned in the options there, when he died there was plenty of people being disrespectful towards him and calling him a terrorist etc Speculation on my part of course but I'd wager that a lot of those people are the same ones who are now demanding no one has a bad word to say about the Queen/Monarchy etc

**I don't mean people on here, I mean in general/on social media

[thesheriff443]

If you want to blame one woman for the wrong doings in history you are obviously a complete dick head

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If you want to blame one woman for the wrong doings in history you are obviously a complete dick head

I think it's a little bit more complex than blaming one woman for the wrong doings in History, it's what she represents more than her as a person which is the Monarchy and an Empire that did a lot of damage to many countries in the world. You can't be the Queen of Britain for the good stuff but just a little old lady when it comes to the more unsavory parts.