[Swan]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yeah, this nonsense isn’t worth the time. Even with LeatherTrumpet you get some sense that it’s worth the finger-ache to keep replying. You’re unbelievably sentimental and word-twisting in debate so between us it stops here.

Thou who protest too much....

Later....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s fine but Liverpool’s actually one of the most diverse cities in the country and it has a very unique history with black and Chinese communities. It’s not the backwards dump only good for football, drinking in town and a select-few posh areas that some people seem to think it is.

Well as someone that does have a fascination with Asian culture then that's not a bad thing for me.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

No higher than mine, like.

We can be the Sezer & Nicole of ITV Big Brother.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well as someone that does have a fascination with Asian culture then that's not a bad thing for me.

Aww. What is it about Asia that really fascinates you?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't say they were , you're just twisting my words ..
Which is fine ... seems to happen alot on Tibb .

A charity focusing on Asian & black women due to cultural differences ...is racist to you ? . Despite the fact there's a few domestic charities helping women in general?.

How do you feel about the male domestic abuse victims having limited places for support???

I am not twisting your words…you said there are groups for predominantly white people…that may be the case if it was in a predominantly white area….but they would not turn away people if they were Black or of a minority group and if they did that that would be wrong.
I understand that there may be a cultural understanding within some groups but no charity should imo discriminate in any form whatsoever…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I am not twisting your words…you said there are groups for predominantly white people…that may be the case if it was in a predominantly white area….but they would not turn away people if they were Black or of a minority group and if they did that that would be wrong.
I understand that there may be a cultural understanding within some groups but no charity should imo discriminate in any form whatsoever…

Oh for godsake
It is not discrimination to have charities focusing on black and Asian women, you admit you realise there's cultural reasons ...so why are you saying it's discrimination?, What about if there's a language barrier even ? .And like I said ..how do we know white women are being refused help from said charities. You make it sound like there's no other charities out there helping women in general from all walks of life.

How far do you go with this?, are you going to say black hairdressers who specialise in afro Carribbean & African hair are racist aswell? , despite the fact other salons don't always know how to treat their hair.

If so then all the other charities & businesses out there are racist , homophobic , ageist , sexist and so on .

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Oh for godsake
It is not discrimination to have charities focusing on black and Asian women, you admit you realise there's cultural reasons ...so why are you saying it's discrimination?, What about if there's a language barrier even ? .And like I said ..how do we know white women are being refused help from said charities. You make it sound like there's no other charities out there helping women in general from all walks of life.

How far do you go with this?, are you going to say black hairdressers who specialise in afro Carribbean & African hair are racist aswell? , despite the fact other salons don't always know how to treat their hair.

If so then all the other charities & businesses out there are racist , homophobic , ageist , sexist and so on .

I get what you're saying tbh, as in certain non white cultures, they treat women worst than dogs, so more help is probably needed.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Oh for godsake
It is not discrimination to have charities focusing on black and Asian women, you admit you realise there's cultural reasons ...so why are you saying it's discrimination?, What about if there's a language barrier even ? .And like I said ..how do we know white women are being refused help from said charities. You make it sound like there's no other charities out there helping women in general from all walks of life.

How far do you go with this?, are you going to say black hairdressers who specialise in afro Carribbean & African hair are racist aswell? , despite the fact other salons don't always know how to treat their hair.

If so then all the other charities & businesses out there are racist , homophobic , ageist , sexist and so on .

The Sistahspace website clarifies it is only for supporting African and Caribbean heritage victims….
Show me a charitable website that is for only helping white people…OR people of British descent

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Oh for godsake
It is not discrimination to have charities focusing on black and Asian women, you admit you realise there's cultural reasons ...so why are you saying it's discrimination?, What about if there's a language barrier even ? .And like I said ..how do we know white women are being refused help from said charities. You make it sound like there's no other charities out there helping women in general from all walks of life.

How far do you go with this?, are you going to say black hairdressers who specialise in afro Carribbean & African hair are racist aswell? , despite the fact other salons don't always know how to treat their hair.

If so then all the other charities & businesses out there are racist , homophobic , ageist , sexist and so on .

According to the logic of some people on this thread Tuesday-night bingo should be considered ageist by virtue of the fact that there are (probably) more 60+ people in there than anyone else.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The Sistahspace website clarifies it is only for supporting African and Caribbean heritage victims….
Show me a charitable website that is for only helping white people…OR people of British descent

I’ll ask again, why do you think white people generally need specific protection in the U.K. just because of the colour of their skin?

[Swan]

Like in certain Islam countries you are killed for being gay. Like in certain African countries young girls are robbed of sexual pleasure, and are summoned to bread for their men. Like when girls and women are robbed of education. Beaten, and killed for showing independence, all in the name of Islam.

But, but, the west is the enemy. Funny who they all risk their lives to flee here. Funny how we house and help these people. But we're the racists?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

According to the logic of some people on this thread Tuesday-night bingo should be considered ageist by virtue of the fact that there are (probably) more 60+ people in there than anyone else.

And the funny thing with bingo is ... different age groups take part more so these days.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Swan

Like in certain Islam countries you are killed for being gay. Like in certain African countries young girls are robbed of sexual pleasure, and are summoned to bread for their men. Like when girls and women are robbed of education. Beaten, and killed for showing independence, all in the name of Islam.

But, but, the west is the enemy. Funny who they all risk their lives to flee here. Funny how we house and help these people. But we're the racists?

Who said every British white person is racist though?? , i think we're getting a bit silly now. This is exactly why i get fed up of politics as both the left side especially the hard left are crazy , and the hard right are also crazy.

You mentioned some good points, so surely you can see why these charities will specialise in helping these people from different backgrounds.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Aww. What is it about Asia that really fascinates you?

Cuisine
Their own festive holidays such as White Day
Seeing some great historical things like The Great Wall Of China.

Also I am big on entertainment, so seeing some of the Japanese Noh Theatre would be quite cool, or checking out some South Korean Manhwa.

I'm probably missing some stuff off of my list.

[Oliver_W]

Marlene Headley

I wonder why she didn't say she was from Willesden when asked where she's from :hmm:

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Certain black people have been living in Liverpool (brought against their will owing to the slave-trade) for the past 350 years

Who taught them the secret to eternal life?!

[LeatherTrumpet]

PETER HITCHENS: Lady Susan, you’ve been cancelled by Twitter. No defence is allowed. Goodbye

In my case, the answer to the question ‘Where are you really from?’ is quite complicated. I wasn’t born in this country. If my naval officer father hadn’t made a special effort to register me as British before he retired, I might well be stateless. Some of my forebears weren’t born here either. I am rather wary of the sort of people who are interested in the subject, and I’m not about to give you all the details.

Nor would I take kindly to a complete stranger reaching out a hand to move my hair or clothing, especially so as to read my name-badge. Why not simply ask her name? Touching people without their permission is just rude. Anyway, I hate name-badges and resist attempts to make me wear them. They’re a step along the road to the society where we all wear barcodes stapled to our ears, like cattle.

So I can see why Ngozi Fulani, head of the charity Sistah Space, bridled when Lady Susan Hussey allegedly moved her hair, and allegedly said the things that have been reported. I say ‘allegedly’ because I’ve yet to hear any independent account of the exchange. This wouldn’t matter if it were a private dispute and had no outcome. But it has led to the public degradation of a prominent courtier, by the office of the actual Head of State, which is a real and damaging penalty.

So the good old Presumption of Innocence applies, not that anyone will care. As far as I know, the exchange was not recorded. Any recollection of it will be influenced by what was put on the internet. And if Lady Susan Hussey has an ounce of sense, she knows there’s not the slightest point in contesting the story.



The nation’s High Court of Opinion, Twitter, has reached its verdict and pronounced its sentence of cancellation. No defence allowed. Goodbye, Lady Susan, and thanks for all the curtseys.

Even so, I wish I could hear the defence, as the behaviour alleged is so stupid and clumsy it is distressing to think that such a person, generally praised and liked by those who have dealt with her, was capable of it. And then there is this question. Why and for what purpose was this disastrous conversation put out on the web? In Ms Fulani’s interview with Mishal Husain on BBC Radio 4, she describes how she asked herself: ‘How do I handle this situation kindly and carefully?’

People who say that age has nothing to do with it should also note that Ms Fulani disagrees with them. She said: ‘In my culture we respect people that are elders.’ And I am very much with her there, especially now I’m old. It is amazing how many people in this country use ‘old’ as a term of scorn. Very well then. Does Ngozi Fulani think it was either kind or careful to go public with her account of the conversation? Did her behaviour show respect for elders? Couldn’t it have been dealt with privately? The King, I am absolutely sure, would have paid attention to any such complaint from a person he has known and encouraged for more than 20 years.

Two hard, grim issues arise from this dismal episode. The first is that public denunciation, the electronic show trial, has become an acceptable form of justice, against which there is no obvious defence. As Bill Clinton’s henchman James Carville pointed out: ‘While you’re explaining, you’re losing.’ It shouldn’t be so. The other thing is yet another reminder that the British Revolution has happened.

Nobody has actually guillotined the King, because he now has no power at all, not even the power to defend those close to him. It is easier to leave him where he is because it deludes people into thinking the country is still as it was.

But if he ever got in the way of the Left-wing project, Twitter and the BBC would tear him to shreds. The Palace has been praised for the swiftness of its ruthless response to the Hussey affair. I do not see why. Fear is a normal and often essential motivation in human life, and it is usually wise to heed it. But it is never praiseworthy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...d-Goodbye.html

[parmnion]

The accounts for sista space have administration costs at zero in 2019 and 2020, they then leap up to £47,467.00 in 2021.

Marlene signed a declaration on behalf of the trustees that stated no audit of the year ending books was needed.

[The Slim Reaper]

For the people at the back

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’ll ask again, why do you think white people generally need specific protection in the U.K. just because of the colour of their skin?

When did I say they need specific protection?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For the people at the back

David Lammey did a whole show on her today, JOB did too. In fact if you listened to News Radio you will find the vast majority did as did all TV news outlets and Newspaper media

So your points that you are so fond of are nonsense

Of course, Nigel and Dan will cover is a big new story. And i am quite sure your hard left twitter feed was awash with faux outrage too

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

David Lammey did a whole show on her today, JOB did too. In fact if you listened to News Radio you will find the vast majority did as did all TV news outlets and Newspaper media

So your points that you are so fond of are nonsense

Of course, Nigel and Dan will cover is a big new story. And i am quite sure your hard left twitter feed was awash with faux outrage too

Read the bit in bold, then read the post directly above it

[Redway]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

When did I say they need specific protection?

Exactly, love. Exactly.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Redway

Exactly, love. Exactly.

i dont think we need sexism on Tibb thanks

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i dont think we need sexism on Tibb thanks

We certainly don’t need racism either, Mr ‘a man’s not a man until he’s had a daughter.’