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Glenn. · 02-02-2023, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I use discord but I don't spend my time on there worried about what other tibbers are doing.

I don't know why you're calling me "Parm" , you're obviously obsessed with him.

As for "other middle aged men" , well first off I'm a WOMAN and I'm nowhere near middle aged...but ok

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Neither does anyone else

Parm is obsessed with that discord server that’s why I called you parm. I think you may of seen it as a gotcha but failed.

You might not be a middle age man but you debate like one

Liam- · 02-02-2023, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You're just twisting things , I never said a child should suffer in silence. And yes there is instances where children confide in teachers & counsellors ...as they can't speak to their parents, or they might be getting abused by their family etc. But that's not what I'm saying.

I'm talking about discussions about gender & sexuality, there seems to be this thing now where a teacher will know more about the kid than the parent themself...and that's wrong. Surely the teacher should encourage both parent & child to talk to eachother .

And if a child is uncomfortable talking to their parents or guardians about those things for whatever reason, whether it be abuse, or bigotry, then teachers and councillors they feel comfortable with are the next best options, if you don’t want them to be able to do that, then yes, you most certainly do want them to suffer in silence

GoldHeart · 02-02-2023, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Neither does anyone else

Parm is obsessed with that discord server that’s why I called you parm. I think you may of seen it as a gotcha but failed.

You might not be a middle age man but you debate like one

All you've done is talk to me like trash .

Saying I debate " like a middle aged man " ...is ridiculous lol . I don't agree with you , therefore you spit your dummy out .

Glenn. · 02-02-2023, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

All you've done is talk to me like trash .

Saying I debate " like a middle aged man " ...is ridiculous lol . I don't agree with you , therefore you spit your dummy out .

Talk to you like trash? Calling you up on your ignorance isn’t talking to you like trash. I don’t agree with anything you say because it’s wrong and very damaging.

LeatherTrumpet · 02-02-2023, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Neither does anyone else

Parm is obsessed with that discord server that’s why I called you parm. I think

he isnt

can you back up that wayward statement??

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Glenn. · 02-02-2023, 08:30 PM

Didn’t he make a thread about discord like three days ago

Redway · 02-02-2023, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Seeing people going down the right wing wormhole live is fascinating, but entirely predictable, starts with questions about trans people and leads to wanting to ‘protect’ kids from the ‘gay agenda’ it’s just proving the point of what the anti-trans movement has been about the entire time and where it was always going to end up, it’s sad

No-one on this thread’s being right-wing, not even LeatherTrumpet. It’s more a case of not thinking a 4-year-old should have to take part in an LGBT parade if they don’t want to or their parents would rather they didn’t. 4-year-olds don’t need to know about any of that stuff.

LeatherTrumpet · 02-02-2023, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Didn’t he make a thread about discord like three days ago

did he?

apols if i missed this

but making one thread?

Glenn. · 02-02-2023, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

No-one on this thread’s being right-wing, not even LeatherTrumpet. It’s more a case of not thinking a 4-year-old should have to take part in an LGBT parade if they don’t want to or their parents would rather they didn’t. 4-year-olds don’t need to know about any of that stuff.

Again it’s not the not wanting her child to attend the parade it’s the reasons for her not wanting her child to. She’s been on tv with her backwards opinions about homosexuality. That’s the issue here

Redway · 02-02-2023, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn.

Homosexuality isn’t a lifestyle so they hide behind religion. I feel immensely sorry for the children born to these people especially those who are gay themselves. Not quite sure what point your trying to make?

Should we accept homophobia because of someone’s religion?

It’s not even about religion so much as it is overall culture. I’m not here to say whether it’s right or wrong but if you know anything about the different shades of black culture beyond Brian Belo-type figures you’d know and even straight-up acknowledge here how different the experience is and you’d be allowed. Under a colour-blind illusion we like to pretend that we’re all exactly the same and have exactly the same values but we don’t and we’re not. And to tell you the truth black kids don’t need your sympathy (unless they align much more with the gay side of things and their parents wouldn’t or don’t like it). They just need you to put things into context and stop applying the same cultural standards that you would to your average contemporary English family with people who migrated from Montego Bay, Ilorin, Umuahia and Sudan. Unique cultural values are values and they can’t be forced to change.

I’m not trying to fall out with you, Glenn (I respect you and stuff), but at the end of the day these kids are eating jollof rice, plantain porridge and oxtail curry whereas you likely grew up on mushy peas, fish fingers and black pudding more than anything else. They do not need copious amounts of sympathy from you just for having parents who disagree with homosexuality.

Redway · 02-02-2023, 08:42 PM

You may not think it’s very politically correct and colour-blind (what we being colour-blind for in the first place?) to be saying all this, Glenn, but it’s the truth and you should know it.

Redway · 02-02-2023, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

I hope you get equally as outraged about parents forcing their kids to go to church? I mean, we all know that history so they can’t be considered safe spaces for children

You’re talking about Catholic churches. Many kids find comfort in Assemblies of God and St Stephen’s and Sunday-school (and it’s not like St Stephen’s hasn’t christened some of the best people and most adorable babies) so you’re going to have to vex for Virgin Mary alone.

LeatherTrumpet · 02-02-2023, 08:49 PM

To ignore this womans cultural christianity and judge her through a UK lens is very harsh. sorry but im with Redway here.

Redway · 02-02-2023, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To ignore this womans cultural christianity and judge her through a UK lens is very harsh. sorry but im with Redway here.

Thank you.

GoldHeart · 02-02-2023, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

It’s not even about religion so much as it is overall culture. I’m not here to say whether it’s right or wrong but if you know anything about the different shades of black culture beyond Brian Belo-type figures you’d know and even straight-up acknowledge here how different the experience is and you’d be allowed. Under a colour-blind illusion we like to pretend that we’re all exactly the same and have exactly the same values but we don’t and we’re not. And to tell you the truth black kids don’t need your sympathy (unless they align much more with the gay side of things and their parents wouldn’t or don’t like it). They just need you to put things into context and stop applying the same cultural standards that you would to your average contemporary English family with people who migrated from Montego Bay, Ilorin, Umuahia and Sudan. Unique cultural values are values and they can’t be forced to change.

I’m not trying to fall out with you, Glenn (I respect you and stuff), but at the end of the day these kids are eating jollof rice, plantain porridge and oxtail curry whereas you likely grew up on mushy peas, fish fingers and black pudding more than anything else. They do not need copious amounts of sympathy from you just for having parents who disagree with homosexuality.

Redway · 02-02-2023, 09:09 PM

It’s a bit like forcing a Jewish kid to sit through a triggering anti-Semitic recount of the Holocaust as part of a history lesson just to make everyone aware that different opinions exist. Sorry but … yeah, no.

GoldHeart · 02-02-2023, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

It’s a bit like forcing a Jewish kid to sit through a triggering anti-Semitic recount of the Holocaust as part of a history lesson just to make everyone aware that different opinions exist. Sorry but … yeah, no.

Exactly
The way I see it .... nobody should be forced to do any of this. And it's more absurd it's being pushed for a child as young as 4 years old !.

The only things that SHOULD be COMPULSORY in school is grammar & learning how to read etc .

Liam- · 02-02-2023, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

It’s a bit like forcing a Jewish kid to sit through a triggering anti-Semitic recount of the Holocaust as part of a history lesson just to make everyone aware that different opinions exist. Sorry but … yeah, no.

Teaching kids about human differences is like forcing a Jewish kid to hear antisemitism is a wild comparison, even for you