[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If someone said to you 40 odd years ago that the bbc would cover up for one of the worlds worst sexual deviants the modern world has ever seen...would you have believed it?

I hadn't been born yet so ... maybe.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If someone said to you 40 odd years ago that the bbc would cover up for one of the worlds worst sexual deviants the modern world has ever seen...would you have believed it?

There's something wrong with him. He thinks that because I've seen a tweet with a handle Red Pill that I'm somehow being brainwashed.

I've also seen tweets with the handles, Gary Lineker, BBC and Owen Jones. But he's not concerned by those ones, even though they have a far, far bigger reaching platform to people.

Absolutely bonkers.

[Alf]

So anyway Toy Soldier. Are you a Netflix movie watcher? If so, is there any truth in this person's claims?

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Alf

So anyway Toy Soldier. Are you a Netflix movie watcher? If so, is there any truth in this person's claims?

Meh. Not really. Netflix diversity does feel forced and fake, movies aren't great quality but that's not down to their inclusion of diversity, it's their lack of subtlety that I don't think does anyone any favours. It's good to see different demographics in different roles but when it's presented in a way that makes it look too clearly like they're saying "Look! Look what we're doing!" it actually ends up feeling exploitative, in my opinion. Netflix is guilty of unskillful tokenism. But then you have chaps like this who end up seeing "shadows in every corner" and declaring everything that isn't a gruff white bloke in his 40's "woke".

White man is the villain?
Not always true plenty of examples of Netflix villains of all sexes and races.

Black man is the hero?
Obviously not true - if anything I'd say the most commonly used Netflix hero is the EXACT opposite. Young white girls.

Gay guy is the voice of reason?
Literally never seen this being a thing. Is it just because gay people are portrayed as fleshed out characters instead of comedy stereotypes like they were all through the 90's and 00's?

Woman has the balls
Not really, they obviously throw in strong female characters but I find this aspect fairly well balanced on the 'flix. They're not unrealistic with it. e.g. you don't see Joyce slicing up Demogorgons while Hopper stands back and watches in Stranger Things - they still (realistically) have the larger and stronger people doing the heavy hitting.

Dad is an idiot
This was more an old TV sitcom/kids show trope than a netflix one. It's definitely nothing new if it is there. Can't say I've seen it. "Laid back dad" is more the modern trope.

Mom is the breadwinner
Nah. They're realistic on that one too - both parents have to work in a modern household or no one is getting breakfast.

Children are sexualised:
Don't think this is true. Teens no more or less than ever in teen-shows. Actually that's not even true - it is far less. Look at things like The OC or One Tree Hill. They were hypersexualising teenagers LONG before Netflix was a thing.

[Niamh.]

The Dad is the idiot bit is definitely going on for years, a lot of times in cartoons too The Simpsons, Family Guy, even Peppa Pig

[Alf]

Thank you, you've confirmed my assumption that this tweeter was over exaggerating. But as someone who doesn't watch Netflix, I wanted to find out by people that do.

We didn't need to go through the other bull to get to that did we?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"Red Pill Led"

Come on Alf

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

People put things like "I stand with Ukraine" "Black Lives Matter" "Antifa" in their twitter handles. They're all cults too. I'd confidently guarantee that you wouldn't call that out if I'd posted a tweet from them.

Antifa are a weird group tbh.

[Liam-]

Antifa isn’t a group

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Meh. Not really. Netflix diversity does feel forced and fake, movies aren't great quality but that's not down to their inclusion of diversity, it's their lack of subtlety that I don't think does anyone any favours. It's good to see different demographics in different roles but when it's presented in a way that makes it look too clearly like they're saying "Look! Look what we're doing!" it actually ends up feeling exploitative, in my opinion. Netflix is guilty of unskillful tokenism. But then you have chaps like this who end up seeing "shadows in every corner" and declaring everything that isn't a gruff white bloke in his 40's "woke".

White man is the villain?
Not always true plenty of examples of Netflix villains of all sexes and races.

Black man is the hero?
Obviously not true - if anything I'd say the most commonly used Netflix hero is the EXACT opposite. Young white girls.

Gay guy is the voice of reason?
Literally never seen this being a thing. Is it just because gay people are portrayed as fleshed out characters instead of comedy stereotypes like they were all through the 90's and 00's?

Woman has the balls
Not really, they obviously throw in strong female characters but I find this aspect fairly well balanced on the 'flix. They're not unrealistic with it. e.g. you don't see Joyce slicing up Demogorgons while Hopper stands back and watches in Stranger Things - they still (realistically) have the larger and stronger people doing the heavy hitting.

Dad is an idiot
This was more an old TV sitcom/kids show trope than a netflix one. It's definitely nothing new if it is there. Can't say I've seen it. "Laid back dad" is more the modern trope.

Mom is the breadwinner
Nah. They're realistic on that one too - both parents have to work in a modern household or no one is getting breakfast.

Children are sexualised:
Don't think this is true. Teens no more or less than ever in teen-shows. Actually that's not even true - it is far less. Look at things like The OC or One Tree Hill. They were hypersexualising teenagers LONG before Netflix was a thing.

Netflix does have Cuties though and they were being sexualized when they were 12-13 years old.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Antifa isn’t a group

Whatever you want to call it, it is weird like any extremist movement.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Antifa isn’t a group

It's a terrorist group.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Netflix does have Cuties though and they were being sexualized when they were 12-13 years old.

i think you need to put that in the context of the thousands of series and films it produces

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think you need to put that in the context of the thousands of series and films it produces

That's fair.

I just do think that the fact that Cuties exists at all though is horrifying.

[Cal.]

They continue to make ridiculous choices. No respect for their users whatsoever.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Meh. Not really. Netflix diversity does feel forced and fake, movies aren't great quality but that's not down to their inclusion of diversity, it's their lack of subtlety that I don't think does anyone any favours. It's good to see different demographics in different roles but when it's presented in a way that makes it look too clearly like they're saying "Look! Look what we're doing!" it actually ends up feeling exploitative, in my opinion. Netflix is guilty of unskillful tokenism. But then you have chaps like this who end up seeing "shadows in every corner" and declaring everything that isn't a gruff white bloke in his 40's "woke".

White man is the villain?
Not always true plenty of examples of Netflix villains of all sexes and races.

Black man is the hero?
Obviously not true - if anything I'd say the most commonly used Netflix hero is the EXACT opposite. Young white girls.

Gay guy is the voice of reason?
Literally never seen this being a thing. Is it just because gay people are portrayed as fleshed out characters instead of comedy stereotypes like they were all through the 90's and 00's?

Woman has the balls
Not really, they obviously throw in strong female characters but I find this aspect fairly well balanced on the 'flix. They're not unrealistic with it. e.g. you don't see Joyce slicing up Demogorgons while Hopper stands back and watches in Stranger Things - they still (realistically) have the larger and stronger people doing the heavy hitting.

Dad is an idiot
This was more an old TV sitcom/kids show trope than a netflix one. It's definitely nothing new if it is there. Can't say I've seen it. "Laid back dad" is more the modern trope.

Mom is the breadwinner
Nah. They're realistic on that one too - both parents have to work in a modern household or no one is getting breakfast.

Children are sexualised:
Don't think this is true. Teens no more or less than ever in teen-shows. Actually that's not even true - it is far less. Look at things like The OC or One Tree Hill. They were hypersexualising teenagers LONG before Netflix was a thing.

meh, it's a meme, like the "Anime, Manga, Netflix Adaption" meme

[Tom4784]

The only people who can say if the diversity is forced or not is the people whom the diversity is aimed at. Anything else just comes across as entitled people crying because other people aside from themselves exist.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

The only people who can say if the diversity is forced or not is the people whom the diversity is aimed at. Anything else just comes across as entitled people crying because other people aside from themselves exist.

I mean it's more charitable to say that they're highlighting diversity ham-fistedly but with well meaning... the only other alternative is that they're just horribly written characters.

To be clear; my issue is NOT the diversity, and characters being from any demographic - the shows should be diverse and that should just be normal - my issue is when it's like "Hey everyone this is my sister. SHE'S BLACK! We'll make reference to that a whooole lot because it's important that you know that Netflix does lots of diversity!". She could just be black.

It takes away from the character, it takes away from the story and it does start to feel like tokenism and that it's there very obviously for the image of the content creator, not out of any genuine desire to promote diverse casts.

A prime example I always use is Endgame... because y'all know I'm Tibb's biggest feminist. Female characters front and centre? Love it. Empowerment? Absolutely. MORE female characters and in more prominent roles - yes.

The "all the female heroes suddenly assembling on the battlefield" in Endgame ... no! It's daft, it's immersion-breaking, it doesn't make ANY logical sense whatsoever, and it was blatantly thrown in there purely for PR.

That sort of diversity isn't real diversity - it's a neon sign that says "Hey look we're diverse" and it's usually to distract from a complete LACK of real diversity -- case in point, NONE of those female heroes in Endgame were being paid a fraction of what Paul Rudd was paid as Ant-man... let alone your RDJ/Evans/Hemsworth trio. But they sure did get their "empowering scene".

[Niamh.]

Yeah totally agree with you about that Endgame scene and thoughts in general about badly executed female characters/scenes in movies like that, it's cringey and not at all organic. Better written more fleshed out female characters is what I want to see. Ones that aren't just there as eye candy or to only be there for some reason that relates to a male character. It has been getting better though

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah totally agree with you about that Endgame scene and thoughts in general about badly executed female characters/scenes in movies like that, it's cringey and not at all organic. Better written more fleshed out female characters is what I want to see. Ones that aren't just there as eye candy or to only be there for some reason that relates to a male character. It has been getting better though

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

I quite liked Wonder woman and those movies maybe a nostalgia thing

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

I can't remember if I was one of those or not I'm biased toward DC in general, and found Captain Marvel a bit boring, so that probably skewed my "at the time" comments. I can barely remember either movie, so that shows how committed I was to what I said

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I quite liked Wonder woman and those movies maybe a nostalgia thing

It's not a terrible film but it's somewhat problematic that for more than half of the film... Wonder Woman is plainly NOT the protagonist . I actually like the character too - but I think she's portrayed far better in both Batman vs Superman and Justice League (the proper Snyder cut obviously, not stinky Whedon version) than in her own film .

I do have to remind myself that this is ultimately a male perspective though and I'm not actually female.

...no matter what those "What's ur Gender" quizzes say.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is also why Capt. Marvel will always be infinitely superior to the borderline-misogynistic Wonder Woman... though I do remember some male members on here insisting that it was WW that was done better

The first Wonder Woman was better written than Captain Marvel, I thought. I always thought that the Captain Marvel film script read like a man wrote it that had a shallow idea of what feminism was. It felt very cliche.

That being said, WW84 turning Diana into a rapist was just about the worst thing they could do.

[Vanessa]

Another reason for me not to get Netflix. They're awful.