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19-04-2023, 02:36 PM | #1 | |||
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The billionaire tycoon said that procreation has been “subverted” by modern methods of contraception, meaning “limbic instinct” can be satisfied without it. “Once you have birth control and abortions and what not, now you can still satisfy the limbic instinct but not procreate,” he told Fox News’s Tucker Carlson on Tuesday. “We haven’t yet evolved to deal with that,” the Tesla billionaire and Twitter owner added. Mr Musk said he was “worried” that if not enough people are born to “sustain” population numbers, civilisation is going to “crumble”. “Does this the old question of like, uh, will civilisation end with a, a bang or a whimper?” asked Mr Carlson. “Well, it’s currently trying to, to end with a whimper in adult diapers,” replied Mr Musk, seemingly referencing childless older people. Mr Musk has shared his fears of a “population collapse” on numerous occasions. He has described it as “the biggest danger” to humanity - exceeding climate change - and warned that Japan, which has one of the lowest birth rates in the world, “will eventually cease to exist”. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...ucker-carlson/ good news for the pro-life lobby |
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19-04-2023, 02:49 PM | #2 | |||
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Pro Life is Fine
But in the USA, it used Politically |
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19-04-2023, 02:51 PM | #3 | |||
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I strongly suspect this is the real reason the "pro-life lobby" exists, and the real reason behind all of the abortion-banning in the US. It's undeniable the declining/aging populations can't sustain themselves and there are only two options; increase birth rate, or increase immigration. That means that for people who are staunchly anti-immigration, there is only one choice... try to increase the birth rate as much as possible.
It won't actually work though because study after study has shown that the declining birth rate isn't because of contraception, it's because of abstinence. Young people are quite simply having less sex. Banning abortion will make little to no difference at all. Perhaps the next step is to try banning contraception entirely, but even that won't do anything if people aren't having sex in the first place. Note that this doesn't mean people don't still have sex... they just have sex far less often and, thus, are far less likely to get pregnant. |
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19-04-2023, 03:05 PM | #4 | |||
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19-04-2023, 03:05 PM | #5 | |||
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Just stop oil to change to Just Stop Abortion?
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19-04-2023, 03:15 PM | #6 | |||
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it depends how dark it turns out. They could lower the age of consent and reduce the penalties for rape. I think we are entering a very dark period |
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19-04-2023, 03:33 PM | #7 | |||
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The sensible solutions are: 1) Higher immigration. Doesn't have to be opening the floodgates... you could also try to entice skilled migration with crazy things like decent wages and living conditions. Australia and NZ seem to be going down this route currently - offering straight-up financial incentives for skilled immigration. 2) Get over the "benefits bad!" mindset and -- essentially -- give people a financial incentive to have more children. If the government will financially support a higher birth rates then there will be higher birth rates. But western govts. have pushed a narrative of "if you can't afford kids, don't have them" for years and... well guess what... now no one can afford them, so no one is having them . And capitalism doesn't work without consumers so... here we are. Last edited by Soldier Boy; 19-04-2023 at 03:34 PM. |
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19-04-2023, 09:42 PM | #8 | |||
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Jessica Meuse was robbed.
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It'll be a sad day if Japan ceases to exist.
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19-04-2023, 11:54 PM | #9 | |||
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In 1900 the population was 2 billion, now it is over 7 billion. How is this a bad thing? The massive overpopulation today is one of the main causes of all the issues we have currently, a decrease is a step in the right direction.
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20-04-2023, 07:31 AM | #10 | |||
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20-04-2023, 08:09 AM | #11 | |||
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Well, they can't sustain consumer/capitalist economies. Theoretically if we had a world of very heavy automation and universal basic income it wouldn't be an issue. |
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20-04-2023, 08:36 AM | #12 | |||
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According Mr Musk, you could fit the entire population of the World in New York if they stood side by side. If that's a fact, just think how much empty space on the planet is left over. There's far more area on the planet where people don't live then where they do, according to Musk. |
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20-04-2023, 08:48 AM | #13 | |||
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By the end of summer India will overtake China as the most populous country in the world
around 1 in 5 people on earth will be in India |
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20-04-2023, 10:48 AM | #14 | |||
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I don't think it needs more elaboration than that really. |
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20-04-2023, 10:50 AM | #15 | |||
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20-04-2023, 10:59 AM | #16 | |||
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20-04-2023, 11:45 AM | #17 | |||
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Isnt this all down to not having enough people to keep the infrastructures going, rather than there being no people left on earth.
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20-04-2023, 11:48 AM | #18 | |||
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We're going to have more and more people in need of those services, with fewer and fewer people available to staff them. |
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20-04-2023, 11:54 AM | #19 | |||
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Yes China Women scared to have kids Because of the Costs Last edited by arista; 20-04-2023 at 11:56 AM. |
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20-04-2023, 11:59 AM | #20 | |||
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20-04-2023, 12:05 PM | #21 | |||
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self-oscillating
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20-04-2023, 12:40 PM | #22 | |||
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Well that's more what I mean - they enforced it legally, and that went on long enough for it to become culturally normal. So when they changed the law to allow people to have more than one child (and now actually WANT them to have more children) they're still not doing it because two parents and one child started to look like "a normal family" to people in China.
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20-04-2023, 01:51 PM | #23 | |||
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Dont worry, we are in safe hands. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/l...ilicon-valley/ |
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20-04-2023, 01:56 PM | #24 | |||
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