[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People are just assuming he groomed him lmao. Until the bloke comes out and says, yes he groomed me I’m going to call it what it is. Do I agree with the affair? No. I’m not going to call him a peadophile based on what might have happened. There’s been no mention of abuse of any kind.

Jesus its like talking to a brick wall

How about Matthew is in denial that he was groomed. That's one perspective. It's blatantly obvious. The age gap is extremely disturbing just on its own. Ffs.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People are just assuming he groomed him lmao. Until the bloke comes out and says, yes he groomed me I’m going to call it what it is. Do I agree with the affair? No. I’m not going to call him a peadophile based on what might have happened. There’s been no mention of abuse of any kind.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The idea appears to be that unless MM himself says he was groomed, he was not groomed and it was all above board and consensual/totally fine.

A complete misunderstanding of what grooming is, and the well understood fact that most victims of grooming don't recognise that they were groomed, at least until MUCH later, and in fact often defend the perpetrator.

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(can only assume I'm on ignore)

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People are just assuming he groomed him lmao. Until the bloke comes out and says, yes he groomed me I’m going to call it what it is. Do I agree with the affair? No. I’m not going to call him a peadophile based on what might have happened. There’s been no mention of abuse of any kind.

Even i defended him somewhat early on, saying that if it's legal, it's legal so just let him get on with it. But i didn't know the details of the story. When you hear how he met him at such a young age, and took him under his wing, it's very fair for people to question his intentions giving he had sex with the boy the moment he legally could.

Technically you're right, as far as we know anyway, but morally it stinks. And that's what people are questioning.

[Vanessa]

Him and his friend definitely need to be investigated.
Their pictures with him as a little kid is very disturbing by itself.
15 is underage and it's not legal here in the UK..

[user104658]

For the record I don't think he broke the law but -- as it the case the vast majority of the time -- that's completely irrelevant to me. The link between "the law" and "right and wrong" is an extremely loose one for me, on the vast majority of topics.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Swan

Even i defended him somewhat early on, saying that if it's legal, it's legal so just let him get on with it. But i didn't know the details of the story. When you hear how he met him at such a young age, and took him under his wing, it's very fair for people to question his intentions giving he had sex with the boy the moment he legally could.

Technically you're right, as far as we know anyway, but morally it stinks.And that's what people are questioning.

Amen.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People are just assuming he groomed him lmao. Until the bloke comes out and says, yes he groomed me I’m going to call it what it is. Do I agree with the affair? No. I’m not going to call him a peadophile based on what might have happened. There’s been no mention of abuse of any kind.

Someone can be a groomer without being a paedophile....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jeremy vine is talking about this now on radio 2

[Liam-]

It’s starting to seem like some people almost want this guy to have been abused so they can have something to hold over a person they don’t like

[Crimson Dynamo]

First call is an apologist "its a witch hunt"

"have we not learned from Caroline Flack"

straight out of the "it was the meeja that killed our Diana" bogus playbook

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s starting to seem like some people almost want this guy to have been abused so they can have something to hold over a person they don’t like

SMH. Let's put the boot on the other foot. It's feeling like you don't want him to be guilty of anything cos you like him. Be it morally or criminally.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s starting to seem like some people almost want this guy to have been abused so they can have something to hold over a person they don’t like

What about people who are pretty much indifferent to him? I would say that was my stance before all this came out. He was just another overly exposed celeb to me before all this, on the other half of ITV shows Ant and Dec weren't on. And the bloke who did the we buy any car ads.

Not everyone has this vendetta against the bloke. Can you honestly not see why people are questioning his relationship with this boy?

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Swan

What about people who are pretty much indifferent to him? I would say that was my stance before all this came out. He was just another overly exposed celeb to me before all this, on the other half of ITV shows Ant and Dec weren't on. And the bloke who did the we buy any car ads.

Not everyone has this vendetta against the bloke. Can you honestly not see why people are questioning his relationship with this boy?

I used to really like Phillip actually UNTIL he came out and treated his wife and kids so shabbily. Now I despise him.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s starting to seem like some people almost want this guy to have been abused so they can have something to hold over a person they don’t like

I actually quite liked The Silver Fox, as it happens, and unlike others it seems I thought him and Holly had a great presenter dynamic on This Morning.

Not really the point I suppose. Other than that as a clearly highly charismatic person, it makes it even more likely that he's been able to leverage those personality traits for not-so-great goals as well as professionally.

[bots]

Someone in complete denial cannot be reasoned with

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I actually quite liked The Silver Fox, as it happens, and unlike others it seems I thought him and Holly had a great presenter dynamic on This Morning.

Not really the point I suppose. Other than that as a clearly highly charismatic person, it makes it even more likely that he's been able to leverage those personality traits for not-so-great goals as well as professionally.

I’ve never seen Schofield as charismatic to be honest .. just a very polished, professional tv personality.


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[bots]

Anyone the remembers gordon the goffer can't take Phil seriously

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’ve never seen Schofield as charismatic to be honest .. just a very polished, professional tv personality.


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Charisma doesn't necessarily mean you like someone, just that you can see that they have personality factors that attract people.

Trump is charismatic, for example. Or Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, Piers Morgan etc.

Sometimes the charisma of awful people is what makes them so damaging.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Charisma doesn't necessarily mean you like someone, just that you can see that they have personality factors that attract people.

Trump is charismatic, for example. Or Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, Piers Morgan etc.

Sometimes the charisma of awful people is what makes them so damaging.

I know what charismatic means

I just don’t think he has any charisma ..

He was very powerful and influential and that’s why he had people dancing to his tune … same applies to Trump imho


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[Swan]

On a side note, i think it's a shame Peterson is lumped in with those other knobs. If you listen to him, on the whole he makes sense, and is a good person. The others are just selfish egomaniacs. Peterson has never come across that way imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think Schofield popularity is that day-time women see him as a non-threatening gay man (even before he "came out") and the type they would like to be pals with and go shopping with

A Dale Winton/ Mulhearn type of thing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

On a side note, i think it's a shame Peterson is lumped in with those other knobs. If you listen to him, on the whole he makes sense, and is a good person. The others are just selfish egomaniacs. Peterson has never come across that way imo.

He had a fairly long phase where he went totally off the rails into religiosity and thinly veiled outright misogyny. He can and has "done better" - I suspect that the fame/infamy got to him at some point. I would I suppose agree that his motivations rarely seem selfish and where he goes off-piste it's for other reasons.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

He had a fairly long phase where he went totally off the rails into religiosity and thinly veiled outright misogyny. He can and has "done better" - I suspect that the fame/infamy got to him at some point. I would I suppose agree that his motivations rarely seem selfish and where he goes off-piste it's for other reasons.

People make out he's a danger to women, i've never seen that from him. Trump and Tate on the other hand, they genuinely are a danger to women. Morgan probably isn't a danger to women, but he's a complete slimeball and only out for himself.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I know what charismatic means

I just don’t think he has any charisma ..

He was very powerful and influential and that’s why he had people dancing to his tune … same applies to Trump imho

Power and influence to get into a position maybe, but neither have power or influence over the general public beyond their charisma (Philip's brand just wasn't your cup of tea, I would say). Trump and Phil make good examples really of how polar opposite charisma can be and how it caters to different people - e.g. Philips has absolutely evaporated because of what's come out about him. It's contrary to his image and so his whole persona implodes.

Trump on the other hand is essentially a villain who has a massive support base that loves him even knowing that. They see his indiscretions AS charismatic. He would lose support if he suddenly came out being "woke" and apologising for all of his misdeeds.

Interesting how it works, really. The biggest reason that Philip's career can't survive this in any form is precisely because of the platform he's built that career on. Other high-profile people could actually walk away from this sort of thing relatively unscathed.

[bots]

It's interesting Trump being mentioned because DeSantis is attacking Trump for being supportive of abortion and essentially woke which kind of proves your point