[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The west loves bombing Muslim countries and slaughtering their people, so of course the UK and America would be fully behind Israel

Folks still pretending absolutely nothing was happening prior to the attacks. Every absolutely barbaric act carried out by Hamas over the last few days, has been handed out a hundredfold to the Palestinians.

I guess Palestinians got fed up of all the champagne and strawberries they were were receiving from Israel.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Cherie]

Three Jewish schools in north London are closing their doors "in the interests of the safety of our precious children".

Torah Vodaas Primary School in Edgware, Ateres Beis Yaakov Primary School in Colindale, and Menorah High School in Neasden, informed parents on Thursday evening they would not reopen until Monday.

In a letter to parents, Rabbi Feldman, of Torah Vodaas, said while there was "no specific threat to our school" it was "not a decision that has been taken lightly".

It comes as Jewish students were being warned by schools to disguise their uniform because of a fear of retaliatory attacks caused by the ongoing war in Israel.

Thousands of Israelis and Palestinians have been killed in a war ignited by a bloody and wide-ranging Hamas attack on Israel at the weekend.

One Jewish charity said it had seen a 324% increase in reports of antisemitism as a result over the last four days. This included six assaults, 14 direct threats, three instances of vandalism, and 66 cases of abusive behaviour, according to CST.

We have received 89 reports of antisemitism in the last 4 days.


Where we living 1930s Nazi Germany?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Three Jewish schools in north London are closing their doors "in the interests of the safety of our precious children".

Torah Vodaas Primary School in Edgware, Ateres Beis Yaakov Primary School in Colindale, and Menorah High School in Neasden, informed parents on Thursday evening they would not reopen until Monday.

In a letter to parents, Rabbi Feldman, of Torah Vodaas, said while there was "no specific threat to our school" it was "not a decision that has been taken lightly".

It comes as Jewish students were being warned by schools to disguise their uniform because of a fear of retaliatory attacks caused by the ongoing war in Israel.

Thousands of Israelis and Palestinians have been killed in a war ignited by a bloody and wide-ranging Hamas attack on Israel at the weekend.

One Jewish charity said it had seen a 324% increase in reports of antisemitism as a result over the last four days. This included six assaults, 14 direct threats, three instances of vandalism, and 66 cases of abusive behaviour, according to CST.

We have received 89 reports of antisemitism in the last 4 days.


Were we living 1930s Nazi Germany?

I will be accused of being alarmist, but this affects so many countries. A war can come from it so easily

[Cherie]

I assume they are not taking the call to arms for all jihadis tomorrow lightly

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Three Jewish schools in north London are closing their doors "in the interests of the safety of our precious children".

Torah Vodaas Primary School in Edgware, Ateres Beis Yaakov Primary School in Colindale, and Menorah High School in Neasden, informed parents on Thursday evening they would not reopen until Monday.

In a letter to parents, Rabbi Feldman, of Torah Vodaas, said while there was "no specific threat to our school" it was "not a decision that has been taken lightly".

It comes as Jewish students were being warned by schools to disguise their uniform because of a fear of retaliatory attacks caused by the ongoing war in Israel.

Thousands of Israelis and Palestinians have been killed in a war ignited by a bloody and wide-ranging Hamas attack on Israel at the weekend.

One Jewish charity said it had seen a 324% increase in reports of antisemitism as a result over the last four days. This included six assaults, 14 direct threats, three instances of vandalism, and 66 cases of abusive behaviour, according to CST.

We have received 89 reports of antisemitism in the last 4 days.


Where we living 1930s Nazi Germany?

I mean we even have appeasers in this thread!

Appauling

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I mean we even have appeasers in this thread!

Appauling

We never heard anything about the conditions UK Jewish children have to endure just to go to school, security on their gates, what other school in the UK has security guards....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We never heard anything about the conditions UK Jewish children have to endure just to go to school, security on their gates, what other school in the UK has security guards....

and told not to wear a uniform in case of attack

like back in 30s Germany

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and told not to wear a uniform in case of attack

like back in 30s Germany

They have had to have security for years, but its just part of every day life, now they have the added threat of having to cover their uniform, and this is in a supposedly safe country

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Folks still pretending absolutely nothing was happening prior to the attacks. Every absolutely barbaric act carried out by Hamas over the last few days, has been handed out a hundredfold to the Palestinians.

Rubbish. Saturday was no ‘typical’ warfare with the tragedy of incidental casualties, it was an unprecedented and deliberate planned massacre of innocent civilians, including women, children and babies. Shootings, stabbings, slitting throats, burning alive, rape. It’s chilling that Hamas apologists see this as justifiable in any way.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

Rubbish. Saturday was no ‘typical’ warfare with the tragedy of incidental casualties, it was an unprecedented and deliberate planned massacre of innocent civilians, including women, children and babies. Shootings, stabbings, slitting throats, burning alive, rape. It’s chilling that Hamas apologists see this as justifiable in any way.

Again, let me repeat. Everything Hamas have done over the last few days, has been inflicted on the Palestinian people for decades. That's a verifiable fact. you don't have to take my word for it, you can check it out yourself.

Hamas are still the organisation/terrorist group that have provided any aid to the people, as they've been left to rot by the rest of the world.

The support is for the Palestinian people, not Hamas, but we have to look honestly at why Hamas has any footing there.

I could show you BBQed babies being celebrated by Zionists from a few years ago, who are also now attacking Israeli non-Zionist jews and Christians, but it's vulgar and isn't a competition. Israel is the oppressor and aggressor. Argue against that, not the outrage of the last few days.

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Again, let me repeat. Everything Hamas have done over the last few days, has been inflicted on the Palestinian people for decades. That's a verifiable fact. you don't have to take my word for it, you can check it out yourself.

Hamas are still the organisation/terrorist group that have provided any aid to the people, as they've been left to rot by the rest of the world.

The support is for the Palestinian people, not Hamas, but we have to look honestly at why Hamas has any footing there.

I could show you BBQed babies being celebrated by Zionists from a few years ago, who are also now attacking Israeli non-Zionist jews and Christians, but it's vulgar and isn't a competition. Israel is the oppressor and aggressor. Argue against that, not the outrage of the last few days.

I have, now and in the past, and it is no way comparable to the Saturday atrocities carried out by Hamas. If you can show a comparable day of evil inflicted on innocent Palestinians, then let us see it.
You act as if, over those decades, Hamas have been innocent of any atrocities themselves. There have been atrocities on both sides over those years, but the Israeli forces are in no way as brutal as to who they kill as the evil, monstrous Hamas. That's a verifiable fact. You don't have to take my word for it, you can check it out yourself.
Hamas had their headquarters under a hospital ffs, they callously place their missiles of destruction behind apartment blocks full of innocent civilians, they use their own people as human shields. THAT is how they look after their own? Israel is currently advising innocent Palestinians to escape, Hamas are telling them to stay; they WANT them to be slaughtered, can you guess why?
Pumping bullets into babies lying in their cots isn’t a justifiable way of fighting oppression or coming to any kind of compromise. Hamas don’t want compromise, they want the obliteration of all Jews.
Hamas is telling you, loud and clear, that they are purely genocidal. Believe them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

I have, now and in the past, and it is no way comparable to the Saturday atrocities carried out by Hamas. If you can show a comparable day of evil inflicted on innocent Palestinians, then let us see it.
You act as if, over those decades, Hamas have been innocent of any atrocities themselves. There have been atrocities on both sides over those years, but the Israeli forces are in no way as brutal as to who they kill as the evil, monstrous Hamas. That's a verifiable fact. You don't have to take my word for it, you can check it out yourself.
Hamas had their headquarters under a hospital ffs, they callously place their missiles of destruction behind apartment blocks full of innocent civilians, they use their own people as human shields. THAT is how they look after their own? Israel is currently advising innocent Palestinians to escape, Hamas are telling them to stay; they WANT them to be slaughtered, can you guess why?
Pumping bullets into babies lying in their cots isn’t a justifiable way of fighting oppression or coming to any kind of compromise. Hamas don’t want compromise, they want the obliteration of all Jews.
Hamas is telling you, loud and clear, that they are purely genocidal. Believe them.

To be fair a lot of this thinking is purely because of (for terrible lack of another word) the aesthetics. The visceral and brutal imagery, the clear intent behind it is barbaric. However if you take that away... a child killed in their own bed by an airstrike when someone ten miles away pushes a button is just as dead as a child killed with a knife.

That's not to say that either act is justified - both are utterly unthinkable ways for a child to die - but if we're "keeping score" and keeping who is ultimately "to blame" politically out of it, there are far more dead Palestinian babies than dead Israeli babies. Far, far more. And it is grim (understandable psychologically and politically, but grim) that we seem to care more about one situation than the other.

Again this is not about justification - one child dead because of bull**** global politics is one child too many but there really does need to be some understanding of the scale of destruction now and over the years in Gaza & The West Bank.

It really brings Iraq to mind TBH. We think of the 3000 deaths in the Twin Towers as a terrorist atrocity (which, of course, it is) but we think of the civilian deaths in Iraq - estimated at anywhere between 200,000 and half a million - and shrug them off as acceptable collateral damage.

Again I can only reiterate that in this conflict yes there are "two sides" but those sides are the horrific global-political tides that lead to situations like this in the wrong, and ANY innocent civilian from any country who is tragically caught in the crossfire. There just is no Good Guy. Terrorism is not good Zionism is not good. There are no heroes here. Just a tragic, tragic humanitarian disaster.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair a lot of this thinking is purely because of (for terrible lack of another word) the aesthetics. The visceral and brutal imagery, the clear intent behind it is barbaric. However if you take that away... a child killed in their own bed by an airstrike when someone ten miles away pushes a button is just as dead as a child killed with a knife.

No, I can't just 'take that away'.
War is war, and tragic as it is, collateral damage is unavoidable. On both sides. Especially when a side stores their weapons of destruction in places where their own innocent civilians will be killed for propaganda purposes.

We are talking here about a genocidal terrorist group who use sheer brutal and evil intent. A different mindset entirely.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

I have, now and in the past, and it is no way comparable to the Saturday atrocities carried out by Hamas. If you can show a comparable day of evil inflicted on innocent Palestinians, then let us see it.
You act as if, over those decades, Hamas have been innocent of any atrocities themselves. There have been atrocities on both sides over those years, but the Israeli forces are in no way as brutal as to who they kill as the evil, monstrous Hamas. That's a verifiable fact. You don't have to take my word for it, you can check it out yourself.
Hamas had their headquarters under a hospital ffs, they callously place their missiles of destruction behind apartment blocks full of innocent civilians, they use their own people as human shields. THAT is how they look after their own? Israel is currently advising innocent Palestinians to escape, Hamas are telling them to stay; they WANT them to be slaughtered, can you guess why?
Pumping bullets into babies lying in their cots isn’t a justifiable way of fighting oppression or coming to any kind of compromise. Hamas don’t want compromise, they want the obliteration of all Jews.
Hamas is telling you, loud and clear, that they are purely genocidal. Believe them.

I haven't acted as though Hamas have been innocent. You push this because you want it to be true. I have probably provided the most well rounded view of them, because for obvious reasons, the fact that they do have a charity and welfare arm to their group, isn't particularly of interest right now, and I get that.

You still don't understand that Israel is telling Palestinians to get out of their own country, and those that leave now, will never be allowed to return, which will further tighten the Israeli grip on a land that doesn't belong to them, and that they've raped (yes), murdered (yes), killed babies (including the cutting out of a fetus from a mother -yes), tortured children (yes) to take over. All the tactics of colonisers. Hamas is not Palestine or Palestinians. I posted a couple of vids earlier in this thread showing IDF just indiscriminately killing and maiming any chance they get. It is a violent and oppressive state.

Amnesty international, human rights watch, Israeli human rights organisations all call Israel an apartheid state.

The only wiggle room you've left yourself is demanding that I give an example of a single day. It's BS. Palestinians have been locked in like the proverbial fish in the barrel. IDF hasn't needed to do these things in one day, they are strangling the country slowly, and gleefully.