[GlitterUK]

Trish's friend has mentioned racism and she has written to the producers she stated on twitter. Unless it is just creating more hype around Trish to push her to the win?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf to Trish she hasn't accused them of being racist (unless I missed something?)

She has not. BB has always been about putting different people, from all the other country, and some times different walks of life, in what is essentially a pressure cooker. HM's are bound to clash, argue, and form groups. This is human nature.

However, as per, society is absolutely desperate to find racism in everything nowadays. What happened to not judging people on the colour of their skin? We're all equal, just because someone doesn't like a black person (who is not black themselves), it doesn't mean they're racist for christsake.

Anyway, the most important thing here to remember is that neither Trish, nor Noky has ever claimed racism in the house. Seems social media and the desperate knights in shinning amour on here and elsewhere conveniently dismiss that.

The only time race was brought up was when Dylan made that insulting black on black crime to Trish, and because she's easily the most level headed, and strongest character in the house, she shot him down immediately, and called him out on what a pathetic comment it was.

[GlitterUK]

Yeah I agree with Swan, the only other comment on it has come from Trish's friend on twitter.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Yeah I agree with Swan, the only other comment on it has come from Trish's friend on twitter.

There is a good deal of circumstantial evidence though


Just because none of them have openly said anything doesn’t mean they’re not racist


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[ChalkOutlineMan]

What's the circumstantial evidence?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by ChalkOutlineMan

What's the circumstantial evidence?

Have you been watching the series


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[ChalkOutlineMan]

Ffs Zizu what's the circumstantial evidence?

[GlitterUK]

1+1 = 3 in some peoples minds.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

1+1 = 3 in some peoples minds.

More a case of x+ y = z

Z = Racism


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[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Zizu

There is a good deal of circumstantial evidence though


Just because none of them have openly said anything doesn’t mean they’re not racist


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Can you explain their friendships with dylan, zak, and noky please. And yinrun.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Zizu

More a case of x+ y = z

Z = Racism


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So by your reckoning, if someone say, white doesn't get on with a black person, or like that black person, they're racist.

I see you in the football threads slating lots of players who happen to be black, you are obviously and quite clearly a massive racist!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can you explain their friendships with dylan, zak, and noky please. And yinrun.

Disingenuous
Fake
For the cameras

They weren’t close to Dylan - nobody was
They used to call Zac for spreading himself too thin and thus game playing ..

Yinrun has complained repeatedly that nobody outside her own little circle speak to her or show any GENUINE interest in her


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[parmnion]

Clutching zizu.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can you explain their friendships with dylan, zak, and noky please. And yinrun.

"I am not racist, some of my best friends are black"

I mean, despite their many character flaws, I don't think the Gremlins are racist, but that's what your comment comes across as.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Trish's friend has mentioned racism and she has written to the producers she stated on twitter. Unless it is just creating more hype around Trish to push her to the win?

I honestly think it’s this. I like Trish (and dislike the gremlins) but I can’t see any evidence of racism towards her. Her friend would know as much as us as we all watch the same highlights/live feed.

This could could lead to a back lash on Trish without Trish actually doing anything wrong if her friend isn’t careful.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I’m actually impressed that it’s taken this long for the non-existent racism accusations to come out. Sure it’s usually earlier than this from what I remember.

I'm enjoying being back but I never liked these types of threads. They're never resolved and it's basically two sides pushing a hard view until it becomes a fractured mess. All that said, here I am anyway because coffee


On topic, I don't think it's impossible there's a racial stereotype playing out in to some of the commentary re: Trish, but where is the line where Trish could do with also do with some more humility in her depiction of other people's perspectives (ie not her own)?

She likes to "retell" the reactions of other people under a simpler narrative and I find that to be dogmatic and not conducive to building common ground with the other HMs. That's not to say she is "wrong". She can be very right in her general perspective at any point. But that skips empathy entirely and misses the boat on understanding where the views of others come from. After all she has confidence and obviously being outspoken she is testing her views, so she can still hit the nail on the head. It's just very easy to live by one's persona on an island of me with that mindset and that's just a common side effect of needing to constantly make one's POV known. It's much harder to do the other way and actually lean into other people's point of views, even if it's completely the opposite of what one actually believes.

Just a thought.

[Vanessa]

I don't think they are.

[GlitterUK]

I don't think we have ever has a series where the racism/bullying/journey buzzwords haven't been used.

I think people dislike personalities and it has nothing to do with skin colour.