[arista]

[Three men killed and
two injured in crash between bus and car
in South Wales



Superintendent Esyr Jones of
South Wales Police said:
“Our thoughts are with everyone affected
by this tragic incident. Trained family liaison officers
are supporting the families at what must
be an extremely difficult time for them.”
Rhondda Cynon Taf council’s deputy mayor
Councillor Dan Owen-Jones was at the
scene soon after the crash after a
resident called him.

He said the incident has cast a “dark cloud over
the community” and sent those affected his
“deepest sympathies”.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...uth-Wales.html

[bots]

The three teenagers who died in a crash involving a bus and an Audi A1 have been named.

Callum Griffiths, 19, from Porth, and Jesse Owen and Morgan Smith, both 18 and from Tonypandy, were killed after a collision at about 19:00 GMT on Monday.

The BBC has been told those in the car had all been at a funeral earlier.

Two of the teens died at the scene in Coedely, Rhondda Cynon Taf. Two other people, aged 18 and 19, are in hospital with life-threatening injuries

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67689513

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That's seriously ****ed up

[Zizu]

Speeding teenagers in another death crash ?!

Wasn’t the last one only a few weeks ago ?


Wonder if the drivers were on something like cocaine or cannabis ?


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Speeding teenagers in another death crash ?!

Wasn’t the last one only a few weeks ago ?


Wonder if the drivers were on something like cocaine or cannabis ?


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Alcohol’s more likely to have been the death of them than any of those two other drugs (especially cannabis). And you know that. You’re not that naive.

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-head-bus.html

The Speed limit is £20

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

Alcohol’s more likely to have been the death of them than any of those two other drugs (especially cannabis). And you know that. You’re not that naive.

Not really .. from the little I know about drugs .. Cocaine causes overconfidence and can cause erratic behaviour whilst Cannabis slows your reactions down


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Not really .. from the little I know about drugs .. Cocaine causes overconfidence and can cause erratic behaviour whilst Cannabis slows your reactions down


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“from the little I know”

Clearly. Very little indeed.

Send me stats of how many people have died in any one year at the hands of driving while stoned (not that that’s a good idea; that’s not even what I’m saying) vs. those of alcohol and then we can talk. Unless you’re suggesting that drink-driving isn’t a known killer and alcohol doesn’t slow your reaction times down either, even notoriously so. Let’s even forget breathalysers exist or that your own argument about delayed reaction-times doesn’t infer that stoned drivers are more likely to play it safer for that very reason and if anything be pulled over for driving under the speed limit than paradoxically going well over it and into a crash while simultaneously having delayed conducive reactions as is the case with alcohol. Again, driving when high isn’t the best thing but there’s no way it’s anywhere near as dangerous as drink-driving. And I don’t believe for a split second that you don’t actually know that.

I’ll be waiting for those stats.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

“from the little I know”

Clearly. Very little indeed.

Send me stats of how many people have died in any one year at the hands of driving while stoned (not that that’s a good idea; that’s not even what I’m saying) vs. those of alcohol and then we can talk. Unless you’re suggesting that drink-driving isn’t a known killer and alcohol doesn’t slow your reaction times down either, even notoriously so. Let’s even forget breathalysers exist or that your own argument about delayed reaction-times doesn’t infer that stoned drivers are more likely to play it safer for that very reason and if anything be pulled over for driving under the speed limit than paradoxically going well over it and into a crash while simultaneously having delayed conducive reactions as is the case with alcohol. Again, driving when high isn’t the best thing but there’s no way it’s anywhere near as dangerous as drink-driving. And I don’t believe for a split second that you don’t actually know that.

I’ll be waiting for those stats.

Sometimes, plain facts are the best way to highlight the dangers of driving under the influence of cocaine.

It has been scientifically proven that cocaine has the ability to seriously impair your driving skills and cause you to become a potential danger to yourself and other road users.
Some concerning facts about driving under the influence of cocaine are listed below.

Your chances of being involved in a fatal or serious injury crash are increased by 2-10x when driving under the influence of cocaine.
Drugs are a factor in over 1 in 20 fatal accidents in the UK.
1 in 6 college students with access to a car were found to have driven under the influence of drugs, with cocaine being the second most common substance.

When 265 people who were fatally injured in car accidents were tested, 7.9% of them were found to have cocaine in their system.
Cocaine is commonly combined with alcohol and cannabis in many drug-driving offences.
While it is never recommended to use cocaine in any recreational setting, it is particularly hazardous to use this substance before driving.

https://www.rehab4addiction.co.uk/bl...ers-statistics

How many people take drugs and drive?

According to the 2021 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), in 2021, 13.5 million people aged 16 or older drove under the influence of alcohol in the past year and 11.7 million drove under the influence of selected illicit drugs, including marijuana (2021 DT 8.33A).*7

The survey also showed that men are more likely than women to drive under the influence of drugs or alcohol. A higher percentage of adults aged 21 to 25 (15.0%) drive after taking drugs or drinking than do young adults aged 16 to 20 (7.5%) or adults 26 or older (7.7%) (2021 DT 8.33B).*7

Which drugs are linked to drugged driving?

After alcohol, marijuana is the drug most often found in the blood of drivers involved in crashes. Tests for detecting marijuana in drivers measure the level of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marijuana’s mind-altering ingredient, in the blood. But the role that marijuana plays in crashes is often unclear. THC can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after use, and it is often combined with alcohol. The vehicle crash risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol, cocaine, or benzodiazepines appears to be greater than that for each drug by itself.1,8

Several studies have shown that drivers with THC in their blood were roughly twice as likely to be responsible for a deadly crash or be killed than drivers who hadn't used drugs or alcohol.8–10 However, a large NHTSA study found no significant increased crash risk traceable to marijuana after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.11


So according to the Governors Highway Safety Association, 43.6 percent of fatally injured drivers in 2016 tested positive for drugs and over half of those drivers were positive for two or more drugs.13

What populations are especially affected by drugged driving?

Teen and older adult drivers are most often affected by drugged driving. Teens are less experienced and are more likely than other drivers to underestimate or not recognize dangerous situations. They are also more likely to speed and allow less distance between vehicles. When lack of driving experience is combined with drug use, the results can be tragic. Car crashes are the leading cause of death among young people aged 16 to 19 years.14

A study of college students with access to a car found that 1 in 6 had driven under the influence of a drug other than alcohol at least once in the past year. Marijuana was the most common drug used, followed by cocaine and prescription pain relievers.15

https://nida.nih.gov/publications/dr...rugged-driving


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Sometimes, plain facts are the best way to highlight the dangers of driving under the influence of cocaine.

It has been scientifically proven that cocaine has the ability to seriously impair your driving skills and cause you to become a potential danger to yourself and other road users.
Some concerning facts about driving under the influence of cocaine are listed below.

Your chances of being involved in a fatal or serious injury crash are increased by 2-10x when driving under the influence of cocaine.
Drugs are a factor in over 1 in 20 fatal accidents in the UK.
1 in 6 college students with access to a car were found to have driven under the influence of drugs, with cocaine being the second most common substance.

When 265 people who were fatally injured in car accidents were tested, 7.9% of them were found to have cocaine in their system.
Cocaine is commonly combined with alcohol and cannabis in many drug-driving offences.
While it is never recommended to use cocaine in any recreational setting, it is particularly hazardous to use this substance before driving.

https://www.rehab4addiction.co.uk/bl...ers-statistics

How many people take drugs and drive?

According to the 2021 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), in 2021, 13.5 million people aged 16 or older drove under the influence of alcohol in the past year and 11.7 million drove under the influence of selected illicit drugs, including marijuana (2021 DT 8.33A).*7

The survey also showed that men are more likely than women to drive under the influence of drugs or alcohol. A higher percentage of adults aged 21 to 25 (15.0%) drive after taking drugs or drinking than do young adults aged 16 to 20 (7.5%) or adults 26 or older (7.7%) (2021 DT 8.33B).*7

Which drugs are linked to drugged driving?

After alcohol, marijuana is the drug most often found in the blood of drivers involved in crashes. Tests for detecting marijuana in drivers measure the level of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), marijuana’s mind-altering ingredient, in the blood. But the role that marijuana plays in crashes is often unclear. THC can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after use, and it is often combined with alcohol. The vehicle crash risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol, cocaine, or benzodiazepines appears to be greater than that for each drug by itself.1,8

Several studies have shown that drivers with THC in their blood were roughly twice as likely to be responsible for a deadly crash or be killed than drivers who hadn't used drugs or alcohol.8–10 However, a large NHTSA study found no significant increased crash risk traceable to marijuana after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.11


So according to the Governors Highway Safety Association, 43.6 percent of fatally injured drivers in 2016 tested positive for drugs and over half of those drivers were positive for two or more drugs.13

What populations are especially affected by drugged driving?

Teen and older adult drivers are most often affected by drugged driving. Teens are less experienced and are more likely than other drivers to underestimate or not recognize dangerous situations. They are also more likely to speed and allow less distance between vehicles. When lack of driving experience is combined with drug use, the results can be tragic. Car crashes are the leading cause of death among young people aged 16 to 19 years.14

A study of college students with access to a car found that 1 in 6 had driven under the influence of a drug other than alcohol at least once in the past year. Marijuana was the most common drug used, followed by cocaine and prescription pain relievers.15

https://nida.nih.gov/publications/dr...rugged-driving


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BIB: says it all. Denying the blatantly obvious fact is absurd but you crack on.

[bots]

why did the driver have to have taken anything. Accidents not involving alcohol or drugs happen all the time

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-head-bus.html

The Speed limit is £20

Terrible news and so close to Christmas.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

why did the driver have to have taken anything. Accidents not involving alcohol or drugs happen all the time

I was just surmising …


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

BIB: says it all. Denying the blatantly obvious fact is absurd but you crack on.

Why are you being sooo aggressive ?

I was simply surmising what MAY have happened not possibly/ probably happened .

The stats for teenagers are different to over 21’s who are more likely to have been drinking ..

But hey-ho .. you just crack on ..


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

why did the driver have to have taken anything. Accidents not involving alcohol or drugs happen all the time

Don’t mind him.

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why are you being sooo aggressive ?

I was simply surmising what MAY have happened not possibly/ probably happened .

The stats for teenagers are different to over 21’s who are more likely to have been drinking ..

But hey-ho .. you just crack on ..


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This isn’t America. People in their late teens do rightfully drink here. You don’t exactly have to be 21.

[Cherie]

Very sad

Didn't Wales recently turn all streets into 20mph zones...?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Very sad

Didn't Wales recently turn all streets into 20mph zones...?

Yes they Did.


Those Lads were driving above the speed limit