[arista]

The Online Paper

[arista]

[arista]

Starmer up early for the 8:30AM Trevor Phillips
longer 90mins show.

He agreed to do SkyNews Debate with Sunak.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Starmer up early for the 8:30AM Trevor Phillips
longer 90mins show.

He agreed to do SkyNews Debate with Sunak.

I hope it has a strong moderator who'll ensure they actually answer the questions and keep on topic.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I hope it has a strong moderator who'll ensure they actually answer the questions and keep on topic.

Kay Burly

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...ection-366430/

Jeremy Corbyn tipped to launch ‘new political party’ ahead of General Election

[bitontheslide]

it will fail miserably

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...ection-366430/

Jeremy Corbyn tipped to launch ‘new political party’ ahead of General Election

Splitting the votes is a great idea. The Tories will be happy.

I'm sure some think that Corbyn is capable of making a national, socialist party.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it will fail miserably

Define failure?

it's not about winning anything, i would assume. There are people in this country on the left that have no one to vote for anymore, except maybe the greens.

Labour and the tories are offering the exact same policies these days, so offering people something different can never be classed as a failurre. We keep offering, and if it takes 50 years after we're all dead to go somewhere, then that's fine too, but what is a failure, is the right wing and neoliberal destruction of the country.

Besides which, if there is a fear of a split vote, then it pressures the right wing labour party to move a little closer to it's base.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Splitting the votes is a great idea. The Tories will be happy.

I'm sure some think that Corbyn is capable of making a national, socialist party.

The tories have been dragged further right by parties like Ukip and reform/reclaim, which in turn has dragged the labour party further to the right. Attempting to redress the balance is not a negative thing.

[bitontheslide]

corbyn couldn't win a vote when he was at the height of his popularity, he won't affect the labour party as it is now

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

corbyn couldn't win a vote when he was at the height of his popularity, he won't affect the labour party as it is now

He continually won elections within the labour party as he was being attacked and had regular leadership challenges - he won them all. You're viewing this as though we think it can win the general election in a few months time, but it's a long time endeavour to offer voters a different solution to the right wing and neoliberal orthodoxy that rules the world.

He also came within 2500 votes of winning in 17, and won the most votes as a labour leader than anyone other than Blairs first election. All this, with his own party openly working against him.

No one cries this much about farage or fox/Tice.

Offering the voters something different is not a bad thing, when every other party is offering the exact same things.

[arista]

‘new political party’


How nice for you Slim

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The tories have been dragged further right by parties like Ukip and reform/reclaim, which in turn has dragged the labour party further to the right. Attempting to redress the balance is not a negative thing.

Heck, I don't like any of the major parties, on any end of the political spectrum. I don't think even the Greens are strong enough on the environment so if the Corbyn Party had some decent green policies, I'd probably vote of my seat had a candidate

So in short, while I don't think redressing the balance is bad, I'm not convinced that it's good either.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Heck, I don't like any of the major parties, on any end of the political spectrum. I don't think even the Greens are strong enough on the environment so if the Corbyn Party had some decent green policies, I'd probably vote of my seat had a candidate

So in short, while I don't think redressing the balance is bad, I'm not convinced that it's good either.

We have zero left wing parties in this country, so why is potentially (I don't think he will start a party - it's RW media trying to drum up the fear) adding one not a good idea? How many right wing parties do you need to see, all spewing the same policies, before you think a different choice might not be horrible?

if Corbyn does start a party, it will definitely be the most environmentally aware out of every party in the UK, especially as labour have now withdrawn their environmental commitments.

[arista]

Corbyn needs to Decide

At this time he is Not a Labour MP

He must stand as an Independent

This Year we have the General Election
I am sure he can win his own seat.



And Starmer needs to find one of his MP's
to Fight Corbyn.

[bitontheslide]

Corbyn may join his brothers protests and give up being an mp

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Corbyn may join his brothers protests and give up being an mp

No, he is Standing
he has confirmed that.



His brother is in another world

[bitontheslide]

If he started a party that got some traction, it would be quite interesting. However, i don't think it would affect the current labour party for a year or 2 at the earliest. If corbyns party did well enough to let the tories back in, i think the labour party would implode. Another 4 or 5 years without a labour government would be a huge deal

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If he started a party that got some traction, it would be quite interesting. However, i don't think it would affect the current labour party for a year or 2 at the earliest. If corbyns party did well enough to let the tories back in, i think the labour party would implode. Another 4 or 5 years without a labour government would be a huge deal

When the labour party worked to prevent a labour government from 15-19, it was a big deal then, but I guess it was ok because a left wing government was unpalatable to the labour party (not the members or the base - just the party leader's) but now there is no difference between labour and the Tories it wouldn't make any difference which party gets the next 4 or 5 years.

[arista]

He is predicted to win his seat
as an independent.

Starting a Political Party
is expensive.

OK for rich fellas like Richard Tice.

[arista]

Starmer was in the studio
of bbc1 AM

The presenter told him it's more like
3 months before
the leader says we have a General Election date

Starmer Demands the Date now????

[bitontheslide]

The Labour Party would need a record swing in votes at the next general election to win a majority in the House of Commons, according to analysis of the new electoral map.

The next election will be fought on new constituency boundaries, redrawn to reflect population changes and to try to even out voter numbers in each area.

An analysis of these changes for BBC News, ITV News, Sky News and the Press Association suggests Labour needs a national swing of 12.7% to win with just a small majority.

That's considerably higher than the 10.2% achieved by Tony Blair in 1997 and higher even than the 12% achieved by Clement Attlee in 1945.

The swing from the Conservatives to Labour would need to be uniform, to follow the same pattern everywhere, with other parties seeing no change in performance since 2019.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67361138

[Oliver_W]

It won't just need people to not want the Tories, it'd need them to want (with a capital W) Labour.

Despite current projections, I wouldn't be surprised if a load of other party/spoils/no-shows allows the Tories to squeak back in.

Unless the Tories REALLY eff things up, or unless Labour REALLY inpresses people.

[bitontheslide]

it could have a positive effect and really mobilise the labour vote, but lets be honest the best likely outcome for labour is a minority government