[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR

It's in their interests to keep the current system

Great Points

[arista]

BBCnewsHD is pathetic
Every half past
they go to a Recorded show for 30mins

Its a Bloody Election


Good Job we have GBNewsHD Live
and SkyNewsHD Live.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR

It's in their interests to keep the current system

People can agree or disagree with his purge of the left, but they can't disagree that he is an autocrat. Even if he had a small majority, it's doubtful he would make elections more democratic, and re-open the door to those he's been busy purging.

[arista]

SNP now on all 3
News Channels

Good we have subtitles

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR

It's in their interests to keep the current system

Actually there is.

We in Labour well realise that power doesn't last.
Apart from Blair and Wilson in the 1966 election.
From then Labour has never won elections with anything other than tiniest of majorities.

I am a member of the Labour Party bots, I know what we want, the Unions want PR too and so do Labour voters

Blair got over 400 seats in 1997 and 2001.
Then we were out for 14 years this time.
18 years the previous time from 1979.

It will happen again and there's only one way to ensure no Party and particularly the Cons never get absolute power again for the minority of votes.
I'm well aware PR would have the Cons panicking and needing to change their underwear a lot

If PR was done rght and with the support of all other Parties I think it will make for better politics.

PR was passed overwhelmingly at Labours conference.
One swallow doesn't make a Sumner.

You can scoff all you like.
PR isn't about this election it would be about who gets to lead power in future elections.
So stopping the Cons getting absolute power again with big majorities for 43.6% of the votes.
With long periods of government too.

That is what PR would be about.
As it would for any other Party too.
IF Labour wins with over 400 seats this time.
Then all the more reason to adopt PR, to ensure what Labour does cannot be dismantled by a future minority voted but large overall majority government in the future

Because sure as day follows night.
A 400+ majority would dwindle away over an election or 2 and without PR the then inevitable outcome will be again a long period of Con government.
So PR is the long term answer to preventing that.
Labour could then be the last party to govern under this ridiculous first past the post electoral system.

That's definitely another thing to aim for.
However no doubt the Cons would be absolutely smouldering.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Great Points

Where exactly are the great points or where is it in Labours interests to keep this ridiculous system???
In the last 45 years .
Under this system.
Labour has governed for 13 of those years.
Also lost 8 out of 11 elections.

Just what exactly is great for Labour about this system with those FACTS.

I'd love to hear that because I can't for the life see anything of ONE great point never mind points.

[arista]

"Where exactly are the great points"


Joey
I meant bots is saying the reality
Not a dig at your wishes

[arista]

"Also lost 8 out of 11 elections."


Yes
picking the wrong leaders like Corbyn
or Foot is to blame

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not sure about it being a thing, but all I mean by it is that the numbers skew so heavily in labours favour, that there is absolutely no avoiding the impending landslide the tories have got coming their way in just over a months time, which means it's a truly rare election when it really is a free vote to vote our consciences. There won't be a coalition government this go round, but greens are going to be the only party that challenges the government (the lab one) on any of the issues around water, energy, or the environment as a whole, so setting them up for future elections to try and build some momentum (pun back at ya) is really important. To me, at least.

The greens aren't placed to do massively great things this election. They will pick up a couple of seats, with some quite major victories around Bristol, but the more people that don't vote labour, the better.. Labour underperforming is the best result to hope for, and might actually begin to hold starmer to account.

Oh I see, I think the electorate are going to be very disappointed in Labour, I hope I am proved wrong but I can't see much change coming

[arista]

Andrew Marr (he was on his panel)
speaking on Trevor Phillips show
(the better 90mins show on SkyNewsHD)
Full playback is on YouTube

Saying there is a Large Amount voters
of Not saying who they
are going to vote for.


So he said they may hold their nose
and Vote Labour or Reform?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Where exactly are the great points"


Joey
I meant bots is saying the reality
Not a dig at your wishes

I know the reality too arista.
I'm not some blithering idiot !!!

I've now been battling along with many other Labour members for PR.
First past the post fails the Country more than helps it.

There's only ONE Party in existence in the UK that doesn't want PR.
That's the Cons.

We've seen clearly over recent government, that the PM doesn't get often,or even only much, of their own way.
Starmer will have to accept the will of the Party and even voters as to PR.
Far more public polled prefer PR to first past the post.
John McDonnell the former shadow Chancellor supports it, in fact the majority of Labour MPs do too.

That's the real reality and the momentum is with PR in Labour, it's a train that's going on to its destination now, I've never felt more sure it will now be done by Labour and the policy presented at the election of 2028/29.
For to be implemented for the next election after then.
Immaterial of the results of this election on July 4th

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I wont be surprised to see Reform/The Greens take alot of votes off Labour

There are alot of disillusioned voters out there, and like Brexit will protest vote

Yes very possible.

[arista]

There is Going to have to be Cut Backs under
Labour or Conservative

SNP Flyn pointed that out today.
(Trevor Phillips)

Conspiracy of Silence - he stated

[The Slim Reaper]

Luke Akehurst's wife attacking a protestor, as he kicks off his campaign to put himself into a lab seat in Durham after being on the selection committee. He's from and lives in Oxford.

[arista]

This paper also posted
on ruperts thread.

[arista]

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Luke Akehurst's wife attacking a protestor, as he kicks off his campaign to put himself into a lab seat in Durham after being on the selection committee. He's from and lives in Oxford.

Twitter Link

left wing nutjobs

sick, sick people

[arista]

[arista]

Labour Leader is going Live


Starmer is talking about Defense

SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Starmer is in a Manchester Museum

He ain't talking yet

John Healy is

[arista]

At Last Starmer is Live


So far just D-Day talk

[arista]

Now his Mother's Story?

[Gusto Brunt]

I think that poll yesterday saying the Tories will be left with only 53 seats or so, and Starmer's Labour would get about 470 seats...

I think that's way too silly.

I'm still going with a hung parliament.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I think that poll yesterday saying the Tories will be left with only 53 seats or so, and Starmer's Labour would get about 470 seats...

I think that's way too silly.

I'm still going with a hung parliament.

No,
I think other polls think
they may have just over 70 seats