[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Did anyone see that Zionist march where they were chanting about wanting to see the villages burn and other grotesque, genocidal stuff? People have spent so long claiming these people are the good guys and don’t want to hurt anyone and then every chance they get they film themselves being monsters and the cycle continues its equally fascinating and distressing, you really do get a real time look at how dictators and genocidal leaders are able to prosper and grip power to do whatever they want and still have people defend the indefensible

On the flip side though for the bit in bold, as I also find that rhetoric quite dangerous and likely to lead to further escalation, just as it's important to remember that Palestine is not Hamas, it's also important to remember that Jewish people =/= Israelis, and in turn, all Israelis =/= Zionists. Further there will be those who conceptually agree with Zionism but wouldn't condone violence or force. As always, the extreme action comes from a small proportion of a small proportion of a greater whole.

And it's everyone else who pays the price.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Certain members have gone awfully quiet on this thread recently. Which is not a criticism, by the way - hopefully, people are actually starting to develop a more balanced understanding of what we're actually looking at here.

If you're referring to me I can assure you I drop in here every time I visit to watch the Hamas cheerleaders wringing their hands. And I'm never disappointed.

You yourself are not awfully quiet on any thread. I certainly wouldn't try to provoke you into posting if you were.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You yourself are not awfully quiet on any thread. I certainly wouldn't try to provoke you into posting if you were.

touché on that one

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemRed

I saw a video yesterday where a gang of settlers marched through the Old City of Jerusalem, spitting, cursing and chanting genocidal slogans. They were picking up things from an elderly mans shop and smashing them on the ground. When he stepped in to try and stop them, the police arrested the shop keeper. Far Right settlers are under the protection of the occupation.

If the settlers are far right, what does that make Hamas?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If the settlers are far right, what does that make Hamas?

I don't know what you expect as an answer there, but it's generally accepted that most if not all terrorist-political organisations are far right, including Hamas.

They get a lot of post-modernist modern-western-leftist support (population, there are no leftist govts in the west) but Hamas themselves can't possibly be described as in any way "left"... They're righties.

Of course the political meaning of "left and right" has become completely twisted in general discourse these days. LGBTQ rights are supposedly "left", anti-abortion stances are supposedly "right" etc when in reality none of these issues have anything at all to do with right or left.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If the settlers are far right, what does that make Hamas?

When I say settlers, I mean those who have moved onto Palestinian territory in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Both support extremist elements. That said, most Jews in Israel don't support these illegal settlements and see these settlers as extremists.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemRed

When I say settlers, I mean those who have moved onto Palestinian territory in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Both support extremist elements. That said, most Jews in Israel don't support these illegal settlements and see these settlers as extremists.

You mean onto the land the palestinian farmers have sold them?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I don't know what you expect as an answer there, but it's generally accepted that most if not all terrorist-political organisations are far right, including Hamas.

They get a lot of post-modernist modern-western-leftist support (population, there are no leftist govts in the west) but Hamas themselves can't possibly be described as in any way "left"... They're righties.

Of course the political meaning of "left and right" has become completely twisted in general discourse these days. LGBTQ rights are supposedly "left", anti-abortion stances are supposedly "right" etc when in reality none of these issues have anything at all to do with right or left.

most of the terrorist supporters in western countries are from the left wing. Thats not doubtful in any way

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

most of the terrorist supporters in western countries are from the left wing. Thats not doubtful in any way

Only by the extremely dumbed-down modern political idea of what the left and right is. What you surely mean is that they're progressives rather than conservatives, which is entirely different.

However there's also no denying that a organisation like Hamas itself is not only right wing, but also socially conservative.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I don't know what you expect as an answer there, but it's generally accepted that most if not all terrorist-political organisations are far right, including Hamas.

They get a lot of post-modernist modern-western-leftist support (population, there are no leftist govts in the west) but Hamas themselves can't possibly be described as in any way "left"... They're righties.

Of course the political meaning of "left and right" has become completely twisted in general discourse these days. LGBTQ rights are supposedly "left", anti-abortion stances are supposedly "right" etc when in reality none of these issues have anything at all to do with right or left.

which makes all the support of Hamas from the woke mind virus marxist kids even more bonkers and laughable

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

most of the terrorist supporters in western countries are from the left wing. Thats not doubtful in any way

Who supports terrorism on the left? What does terrorist supporter actually mean?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

which makes all the support of Hamas from the woke mind virus marxist kids even more bonkers and laughable

They are good at it though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Who supports terrorism on the left? What does terrorist supporter actually mean?

what does "the left" mean?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what does "the left" mean?

Go against anything a ruddery faced old man might say. Apart from kiers.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what does "the left" mean?

Consider you use "the loony left/communists/marxists" as one of your only 5 (max) post templates, I was hoping you could tell me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israeli Merkava Mark lV Main Battle Tanks with the 162nd “Ha-Plada” Division arrived on
the Southern Coast of the Gaza Strip today, with the Israel Defense Force now having
Total Physical Control of the “Philadelphi Corridor” between the Border of Egypt and the
Gaza Strip.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You mean onto the land the palestinian farmers have sold them?

Yes, some do sell their homes.
There are also Israeli organisations that work to evict Palestinians from their land using loopholes in the land laws.

Israeli authorities also regularly seize and demolish Palestinian properties citing the lack of Israeli-issued building permits and land documents.

But international rights groups say acquiring an Israeli building permit is nearly impossible.

All settlements and outposts are considered illegal under international laws as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...%20and%20parks.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

which makes all the support of Hamas from the woke mind virus marxist kids even more bonkers and laughable

You clearly think that anyone who objects to what is happening to the Palestinians is in some way supporting Hamas.... Why?

I'm sure you're not so ill informed that you just go along with your mates for the hell of it, so seriously, why do you believe this?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemRed

You clearly think that anyone who objects to what is happening to the Palestinians is in some way supporting Hamas.... Why?

I'm sure you're not so ill informed that you just go along with your mates for the hell of it, so seriously, why do you believe this?

what mates?

have you posted you want Hamas to release all hostages alive in this thread?

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what mates?

have you posted you want Hamas to release all hostages alive in this thread?

Have you?

I've said that I don't think many will be alive because Israel has dropped over 70,000 tons of bombs on an area quarter the size of London.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure that you couldn't give a siht about the atrocities going on in Gaza. In your warped mind, you likely think they are all Hamas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Have you?

I've said that I don't think many will be alive because Israel has dropped over 70,000 tons of bombs on an area quarter the size of London.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure that you couldn't give a siht about the atrocities going on in Gaza. In your warped mind, you likely think they are all Hamas.

"In your warped mind"


excuse me

[Beso]

All settlements and outposts are considered illegal under international laws as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies


They sold their land to the settlers long before the 4th Geneva convention.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

which makes all the support of Hamas from the woke mind virus marxist kids even more bonkers and laughable

If we're being boring and realistic - only a small percentage of the people who are against the bombing campaigns in Palestine will be genuinely "Hamas supporting". Some of them I'm sure do, or at least will say they do, for tribalistic reasons but it'll mostly because they don't actually understand the nuances of the situation. And for the most part they are, indeed, just kids... Which is why I judge their ignorance far less harshly than the comparable ignorance of full-blown adults.

Any vaguely reasonable person with their sensible hat on recognises that the whole situation is a humanitarian catastrophe, and can admit that Israel's tactics have been cavalier when it comes to collateral casualties.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

All settlements and outposts are considered illegal under international laws as they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which bans an occupying power from transferring its population to the area it occupies


They sold their land to the settlers long before the 4th Geneva convention.

All of them?!


You carry on with that belief parmion. You can either choose to educate yourself on this matter or you can choose to stick with what you think you know.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemRed

All of them?!


You carry on with that belief parmion. You can either choose to educate yourself on this matter or you can choose to stick with what you think you know.

Oh I know what I know, I've read online and read books about it, just like yourself. Your problem is you think what you have read is true, and everyone elses side of things is wrong. Therefore you just try and shut down amy differing opinions based on study to your own. You will see I've never done that.