[Ammi]

Kamala Harris sends message to Donald Trump in direct challenge to live debate

Kamala Harris directly challenged Donald Trump to a live debate, telling the former president “say it to my face” at a rally in Atlanta on Tuesday, 30 July.
“Well, Donald, I do hope you’ll reconsider to meet me on the debate stage because as the saying goes, if you got something to say, say it to my face,” the vice president declared as she addressed the crowd.
Ms Harris, a former California attorney general, again drew on her role as a prosecutor as she explained why she was ready to take on the Republican candidate.

[arista]

Atlanta on Tuesday, 30 July.


Trump was on a rally

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Kamala Harris sends message to Donald Trump in direct challenge to live debate

Kamala Harris directly challenged Donald Trump to a live debate, telling the former president “say it to my face” at a rally in Atlanta on Tuesday, 30 July.
“Well, Donald, I do hope you’ll reconsider to meet me on the debate stage because as the saying goes, if you got something to say, say it to my face,” the vice president declared as she addressed the crowd.
Ms Harris, a former California attorney general, again drew on her role as a prosecutor as she explained why she was ready to take on the Republican candidate.

Already going to her head. She thinks she has the job.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

Already going to her head. She thinks she has the job.

…the Donald loves a strong confident woman…not…

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Maru

Already going to her head. She thinks she has the job.

She's just not likeable. I hope she wins but I doubt she will

[Maru]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

She's just not likeable. I hope she wins but I doubt she will

There's more of a possibility she could win just because of the hype train effect. I don't think until Trump got shot that there was much "positive" energy politically because politics just seems to drag on now with no point. Still, I'm not sure how much national media plays into the psyche of the US voter and their decision-making. I haven't had cable in 5-6 years and I know very few people with cable. When I was with Nielsen (as a household), they told me outright a vast majority of their houses in our area are cable cutters and that most people are switching away (requiring a change in equipment to measure things). I know even fewer who watch cable news.

I really just want to FF to 2028 and see the future of either party, who they throw up as their flagbearers after the last several Presidents and the amount of scandals... it's hard to imagine we could get much lower.

[joeysteele]

I really hope she can pull it off.

I just cannot bear the thought of Trump back in power.

She's made a fighting start, however can she hold firm.
I hope so.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

She's just not likeable. I hope she wins but I doubt she will

…see, I don’t get that…that she’s not likeable…but I do agree that I doubt that she’ll win…she’s made election time a bit more fun than Trump v Biden, though…….

[bots]

i think she is very likeable

What she has done is give people hope and that is a priceless gift

[GiRTh]

Its a combination of her presidential run in 2020 - especially her performance in the debates, the bullying allegations and the way she dropped out.

Theres a craven ambition here that is not likeable.

[Liam-]

All politicians have ridiculous ambition, the American presidency is the most powerful job in the world, it’s a requirement to have unashamed ambition

[GiRTh]

Yes, I agree but her campaign seemed very Hillary Clinton. Harris never comes across as genuine. Biden did, Obama did, Harris doesnt.

[bots]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its a combination of her presidential run in 2020 - especially her performance in the debates, the bullying allegations and the way she dropped out.

Theres a craven ambition here that is not likeable.

in these circumstances you get behind the person most likely to win and defend democracy. I think Harris has done a stellar job in waking the country up. She may well still lose, but the country is not going down now without a fight

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in these circumstances you get behind the person most likely to win and defend democracy. I think Harris has done a stellar job in waking the country up. She may well still lose, but the country is not going down now without a fight

I dont think she's the most likely person to win but I agree she's providing a welcome alternative.

[Liam-]

I think she has moments where someone has clearly fed her a line to say and it comes across as unnatural, but in general she comes across as one of the more down to earth politicians I’ve ever seen

[bots]

this is not weird at all, no no no

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its a combination of her presidential run in 2020 - especially her performance in the debates, the bullying allegations and the way she dropped out.

Theres a craven ambition here that is not likeable.

….hmmmm, ok…I’m going to have to look up the bullying allegations as I wasn’t aware of any…for me it’s just felt a bit like someone opened a window in the campaign and let the sunlight in…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….hmmmm, ok…I’m going to have to look up the bullying allegations as I wasn’t aware of any…for me it’s just felt a bit like someone opened a window in the campaign and let the sunlight in…

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this is not weird at all, no no no

"That's what the science says"

[Maru]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its a combination of her presidential run in 2020 - especially her performance in the debates, the bullying allegations and the way she dropped out.

Theres a craven ambition here that is not likeable.

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Yes, I agree but her campaign seemed very Hillary Clinton. Harris never comes across as genuine. Biden did, Obama did, Harris doesnt.

Yes, and this is where my impression comes from as well, was from her Presidential campaign during 2020. The person they're portraying now is not the candidate I saw before. It's like they remade her from ground up to be more from Obama's playbook, which I mean, his image was crafted to be out of this world in the first place.. but he could speak eloquently enough that it at least kept up with the idealistic shoes he was fit to fill. It will be very interesting to see her hit the debate stage again. If she flubs that somehow, it will be bring back up the sting of Biden's performance, which won't bode well for her.

[Ammi]

…but then, I guess that it’s much more easy to look that comfortable and eloquent person and to look more ‘presidential’ as a male in a male dominated world of American politics/when it comes to presidential candidates…I still don’t think that American politics will accept a female president, females are very much more seen as First Ladies…but we’ll see, this at least is a step but I feel it’s as far as the step will go…

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…but then, I guess that it’s much more easy to look that comfortable and eloquent person and to look more ‘presidential’ as a male in a male dominated world of American politics/when it comes to presidential candidates…I still don’t think that American politics will accept a female president, females are very much more seen as First Ladies…but we’ll see, this at least is a step but I feel it’s as far as the step will go…

We not only nominated, but actually elected a dementia patient. I think people way overestimate just how seriously we take choosing our politicians. Only the fringes seem to put so much weight on exactly which candidates get chosen. Some people will vote her just because she's a black woman and that's just as wrong as choosing someone because they are white, male.

If Trump is reelected, it'll be because of his politics and because he is a known variable. It's not because "Oh we need to pick the whitest, male-est candidate on stage". If Americans were so fixated on masculinity being in the role from the very beginning, we wouldn't have picked Biden the first go. He has made America look very weak on the national stage. I can't think of anyone who was like "But he had so much vitality before he was elected!" ...

Hillary would've won but she had scandals near the very end of her campaign which I think tanked her credibility enough to secure a Trump win. Nobody likes nepotism in politics and people eventually came to groan when they saw her on screen. This was well before she entered NY politics. She was not likable as FL. It's been repeatedly said she didn't enter politics to do lifelong service as much she coveted the Presidential role. For her, it was about being there "first" than being the right person because the job was (again: was) so precious...

Still, Kamala sleeping with politicians to climb isn't as key a factor to her downfall as I think can made out of it. Her success will hinge on whether can she fits the pedestal that's been built for her. If she can't, then the issues with nepotism become more endemic. I think it's much easier to accept than not "It's who you know" when it comes to politics and people sleeping with each other, even in a professional role, is also a fact of life Also, let's not forget Kamala didn't even get nominated for this role properly (by public vote), so the test for whether she is even the best possible candidate for role isn't even be tested.. it's whether it's good enough to beat Trump is what she is being tested for.

So if 50% (an example number, but we know it's high) of the populace hate Trump, then arguably the bar is already low. Are we really going to suggest the 50% who hate Trump won't and can't see a woman in that role? That makes no sense, since feverishness around new wave feminism is one reason he's so widely panned.

[Gusto Brunt]

I had a dream about her last night.

[bots]

i genuinely like her

She is able to push through all the mess and nastiness and remain positive, optimistic and strong.

Throughout history, the right person has always appeared at the right time. It doesn't make them a wonderful person, it doesn't make them someone without flaws, it simply the right person for the time. I think Kamala is that person

[user104658]

Odds for Kamala to be next POTUS have shortened significantly since last week, Trump was sitting at 8/13 at one point but quite a few now sitting at 5/6 vs 11/10 which is only a hair away from evens and not the trajectory Donny wants to see at all so early in her campaign. He was looking pretty solid vs Biden.

One or two have Kamala at evens already (though nowhere offering that for Trump yet, he's still odds on at all the big 'uns).

Anecdotally, her events currently are also very high energy whereas Trumps seem to be in a bit of a rut since "the incident". Obvious reasons for both I guess. There's still the "newbie hype" for Harris.

But yeah... I'd have been very surprised if Biden had won in November, but I think it's very much in the air now. Trump had a lazy campaign planned against "sleepy Joe" and they'll need to pull together something higher energy very quickly to keep any momentum.